It appeared as if “R” had appointed herself the official spokesperson for the Stern family. The Bonnie Stern post on “R’s” new site spoke of greed, “I am so sorry that so much greed has turned into all of this.” “R” told me that comment was directed at me and I believed her.
A friend asked Bonnie about that and she did not deny that it was directed to me and another person like “R” had stated. In fact she did not deny anything that was to be posted on “R” and “H” site.
Then one of the girls that was a new chat room moderator had sent Bonnie Stern an email trying to explain what happened. She shared this email reply from Bonnie. In part it read,
“I just wrote an email from Howard to “QV, etc and “R”, because this has become so stressful and competitive for everyone and I am really feeling tired and drained from all of this.. I’m trying to run my own businesses (one is a startup) and help at the same time.. It’s become sad for me to see what is going on.”
That further served to confuse me because of the “thank you” note that Bonnie had posted on “R’s” site where my site members were NOT and with no denial as to who she was referring to as “greedy”.
Also there was no “competition” on my part. I was attacked, falsely accused and I defended myself. Period. When I did not obey “R”, it seemed to obliterate all that I had done for Stern. However, my concern was running the site and taking care of the members so they could do what they wanted to do. No one was granted a say so about what I wrote except for extending the courtesy to remove something at the family’s request.
I did not schmooze with the “brass” like others did and I wrote an explanation to Bonnie detailing the sequence of events and things that were said. Only to be told it was ok to sell something, (which was a false accusation by “R”) and stop arguing.
Things would never be the same for our happy community. There was an aura of suspicion and mistrust. The contributing members did not want to send their research to “R” and “H”. They saw the thank you post by Bonnie Stern on “R’s” site and reasoned that it was her but not Howard and they were going to continue to help Howard.
Then on May 2nd, I got the call that my mom was gone. She lived in Las Vegas Nevada with me on the other side of the country and I had not spoken to her for a couple of weeks. She did not mention being sick but now she was gone and was discovered several days later.
My brother and I got on the first available flights to face what no one ever wants to see.
Another blogger ran my site for me and when I arrived home less than a week later, there was nothing special to report. I did not want to be on the computer much less go back to the blog but again, I promised myself that I would continue because the members of the blog wanted to and I felt a responsibility to them.
There had been the random bashing against myself on “R’s” blog. A couple of posts about new “cyber stalking” laws, blah blah but “R” and I had our final words by email days before I left town.
They gave me about a week to settle back in. I read posts by “R” telling “H’s” helpers” on their “invite only” blog, where to send their research and not to post it in public. I was wondering what she was talking about because as far as I knew, no one or very few were sending anything to them anymore and she had a total of about six people posting on her blog including “H” and herself.
On May 14th out of nowhere came a post from “R” called,
“Sensationalism Blogging”.
“I asked a blog owner to take down my writings on a blog because frankly, as I told the owner I could not afford the legal fees if a lawyer known to be litigious came after the blog and the people that had contributed with articles.”
(I have to interject. Wouldn’t a lawyer known to be litigious kind of be like a dog known to be canine? And what would O’Quinn sue her for? Her bullwhip?)
“Yet that fact was never shared nor even clarified to other bloggers, instead I was blasted in personal emails to me, on other blogs, even private emails went to lawyers stating that I was a person not to trusted, I became a target of sensationalism and I am nobody”.
“In my situation, I chose to offer what small talents I may have to save some of these parties in this current saga time and money and not join the other frenzy bloggers.”
“This is what this blog and this site is about, and those of us that call this home like what we do and enjoy each other. If you have a talent you want to share then email us, we would love for you to do the thankless job of fact checking with us, the more the merrier as we say.”
Same day:
Posted in Uncategorized | No Comments » | May 14th, 2007
As many of you have pointed out, the information and researching of Virgie needs to be put to the side for now. The next inquest hearing is May 22, 2007 and Howard and team need all of the help and research we can get to them to show that there is no way the Inquest as it is set up now can ever be independent and not biased towards Howard…
Keep working on all of the wondrous things you are finding, each tidbit you uncovered is very much needed and appreciated. I think most of you have “H’s” personal email addy if not leave an msg here and she will get that to you.
Again, thank you thank you for your valuable time in trying to help.
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So she states, I was supposed to give legal advice to people that posted on my blog. And emails were sent out about her saying this and that. If she is talking about other than the initial argument, it never happened. She also issues orders on what to work on to her phantom members.
I say the word “phantom” because the research had continued but no one was sending it to her. Everyone wanted a place to send it to but because of all the controversy, I refused to handle it period. I didn’t do it before and I was not going to start. “R” had tried to drive a wedge between so many people including the video helper and myself but it didn’t work, so I told a few members if they did not want to send what they had to the attorneys directly, send it to him as he had carried on what he was doing and was in contact with an Attorney Ben Erwin, at Lin Wood’s office.
Someone was NOT happy with the flow of information slowing to a trickle and now Bonnie Stern went on a mission to change that.
She contacted one of the newer moderators and had a nice chat with her via messenger. The moderator contacted the other three and Bonnie held court in a Yahoo chat with my four moderators. Here are some excerpts from it with the chit chat cut out of it.
Mod #1 (is “b”) (5/18/2007 9:15:41 PM): i became very confused with the statement that Larry had filed papers yesterday for special administrator.
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:16:36 PM): howard is going to administrate the will
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:17:04 PM): i’m going to check with howard on that
Mod #1 (5/18/2007 9:20:52 PM): we do our private research in private rooms in a chat
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:21:05 PM): good
Mod #2 (5/18/2007 9:21:19 PM): ya and us mods workclose together
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:21:22 PM): who is actually researching now?
Mod #1 (5/18/2007 9:21:32 PM): we have been working on the GBT clan/FS and schilling connection for the past few weeks
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:21:33 PM): each of you only?
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:21:54 PM): schilling is a friend and bus associate of ben
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:22:05 PM): they own houses next door in ft lauderdale
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:22:06 PM): also
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:22:18 PM): and have done real estate deals
Mod #1 (5/18/2007 9:22:22 PM): right…i found it strange that gbt could possibly be involved with larry being that he was in schillings home
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:22:40 PM): if you can find out if there was a prison connection.. that would be really helpful
Mod #1 (5/18/2007 9:22:54 PM): in 1986 schilling was involved with fraudelent tax returns
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:22:54 PM): they were both in fed prison at the same time
Mod #1 (5/18/2007 9:23:00 PM): i have the records but not the actual case
Mod #1 (5/18/2007 9:23:10 PM): ALTHOUGH the way i found it was through ben thompson court document
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:23:14 PM): but i dont know if they were in the same prison together
Mod #1 (5/18/2007 9:23:27 PM): me either…i cant find any of the actual case yet
Mod #3 (5/18/2007 9:23:42 PM): does larry actually trust these corrupt people?
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:23:45 PM): ben was in for drug smuggling
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:23:52 PM): i am not sure
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:24:00 PM): from what i know he’s not talking to ben anymore
Mod #1 (5/18/2007 9:24:27 PM): is schillings related to LB family in any way?
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:24:58 PM): i don’t know.. if he is it would be larry’s aunt that had real estate dealings with ben
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:25:07 PM): and that’s how larry met him i think
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:26:05 PM): what did you say larry filed for in court?
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:26:11 PM): to administer the will?
Mod #3 (5/18/2007 9:26:25 PM): it was filed yesterday…star magazine reporter reported it
Mod #1 (5/18/2007 9:26:38 PM): special administrator papers was what it said
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:27:27 PM): i don’t think howard is online now
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:27:40 PM): when i get an answer where do you want me to send it to?
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:28:06 PM): howard and larry have been really working together
Mod #1 (5/18/2007 9:28:12 PM): GOOD!!
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:28:16 PM): yes.. they have everything
Mod #1 (5/18/2007 9:29:41 PM): as far as research bonnie…i wanted to make sure that the research was going to correct place…i am under the impression that NO ONE has received “_” research from this week although they have received mine…
Mod #3 (5/18/2007 9:30:05 PM): thats a good question, where do we tell people to send it?
Mod #1 (5/18/2007 9:30:42 PM): and being that it is usually just “_” and i emailing people…i was concerned the information was going in differrent ways with different emails
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:31:23 PM): how much is there?
Mod #1 (5/18/2007 9:31:29 PM): ALOT!!
Mod #1 (5/18/2007 9:31:44 PM): i sent 50+ pages of just property/business etc. information
Mod #1 (5/18/2007 9:31:50 PM): and that was only 3 days work
Mod #1 (5/18/2007 9:31:56 PM): between several people
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:32:04 PM): one quick sec
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:32:21 PM): ok
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:32:31 PM): i’m just thinking
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:32:39 PM): you have been sending things to (the video man)
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:32:47 PM): those won’t get to where you want them to go
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:33:06 PM): is this work that will need further research done?
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:33:19 PM): to connect the dots or it’s complete?
Mod #1 (5/18/2007 9:33:25 PM): I dont know….that is why i am asking is it needed or relevant to anyone?
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:33:31 PM): that would make a difference as to where it goes
Mod #3 (5/18/2007 9:33:35 PM): who is sending to “VM”?
Mod #1 (5/18/2007 9:33:37 PM): the dots need to be further connected i believe
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:33:40 PM): ok
Mod #1 (5/18/2007 9:33:41 PM): not me
Mod #3 (5/18/2007 9:33:43 PM): who is “VM”? bonnie do you know?
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:33:48 PM): so i’ve been working with two people
Mod #3 (5/18/2007 9:33:52 PM): we know he has helped qv with video work
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:33:55 PM): he is in canada
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:34:00 PM): he was getting video
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:34:16 PM): i don’t personally know him
(But she talked to him on the phone many times and invited herself to his home in Canada he told me.)
Mod #2 (5/18/2007 9:34:28 PM): he works with QV
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:34:32 PM): i do know that he is getting video for defamation
Mod #1 (5/18/2007 9:34:45 PM): i did not send anything to “VM”…and was wondering if “_” did because to my knowledge the person that has gotten my information HAS NOT gotten “_” the same day emailed (differnt info maybe a day apart)
Mod #1 (5/18/2007 9:34:57 PM): that i knew, i guess im confused why people would send research to him, and not to krista or someone
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:35:32 PM): one sec
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:35:34 PM): talking to howard
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:36:16 PM): larry filed for guardianship of dannielynn
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:36:24 PM): not to administer the will
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:37:41 PM): larry was just calling howard now
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:37:53 PM): i would not worry that larry is going to screw howard
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:38:02 PM): howard is going to help him disbar opri
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:38:19 PM): i think that larry sees he needs howards help
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:38:38 PM): howard already started putting that into action
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:38:50 PM): we have a friend at the california bar
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:39:28 PM): she billed him at two different times for the same time period
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:39:36 PM): and the billing was completely different
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:39:49 PM): she forgot she sent him the first bill
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:40:01 PM): so fraudulant billing
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:40:49 PM): he (Larry) was nice the first time i met him
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:40:56 PM): it was after the funeral
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:41:14 PM): i think if opri hadn’t gotten a hold of him he wouldn’t have even gone after the baby
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:41:25 PM): he just saw a cash opportunity
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:41:32 PM): lol
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:41:46 PM): i feel like our lives have been thrown out to the wind
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:42:19 PM): so regarding the research
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:42:26 PM): i’m going to set up an email
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:43:01 PM): i can’t have it all go to my personal email
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:43:27 PM): once you get it to a certain point .. i have someone who can research it further
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:44:40 PM): will a yahoo acct be large enough
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:47:06 PM): one sec
Mod #2 (5/18/2007 9:47:32 PM): i asked bonnie about us doing confrence with bonnie to give her updates
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:47:53 PM): one sec
Mod #2 (5/18/2007 9:47:55 PM): so we can all stay close and work together
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:48:02 PM): i have an acct for you
Mod #2 (5/18/2007 9:48:24 PM): your fast,Bonnie
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:49:02 PM): stxxxxncr@xxxxx.com
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:49:21 PM): that is a good email and if further research needs to be done it will
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:49:23 PM): for sure
Mod #1 (5/18/2007 9:49:44 PM): ok…that is the one i have been sending my information to
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:50:24 PM): everything you send there is good
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:52:44 PM): good
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:52:51 PM): i really appreciate that
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:52:56 PM): me too
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:54:45 PM): i’m very grateful
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:56:15 PM): did “VM” tell you he’s a lawyer?
(another fairy tale told to Bonnie by whom?)
Mod #1 (5/18/2007 9:56:27 PM): i have never had communications with “VM”
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:56:37 PM): anyone else?
Mod #4 (5/18/2007 9:56:37 PM): neither have i
Mod #3 (5/18/2007 9:56:38 PM): me either
Mod #2 (5/18/2007 9:56:40 PM): neither have I
Mod #3 (5/18/2007 9:56:40 PM): never
Mod #3 (5/18/2007 9:56:50 PM): only person i know who has is qv and “R”
Mod #1 (5/18/2007 9:56:52 PM): although i know emails with information have been going to him
Mod #1 (5/18/2007 9:56:59 PM): and that is why i asked all those questions today
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:57:06 PM): he does videos only
Mod #1 (5/18/2007 9:57:19 PM): ok…then we will send to new email address from now on
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:57:48 PM): no problem
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:58:28 PM): i just want your hard work to be worthwhile
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:58:41 PM): so it’s not like you’re wasting your time and energy
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:58:53 PM): there’s no point in that
Mod #1 (5/18/2007 9:59:34 PM): i agree i have no more concerns and will email what is of importance /or could be…to the email address
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 9:59:46 PM): good
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:00:00 PM): i know that what you’ve been emailing Mod #1 has been received
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:00:05 PM): on that email
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:05:37 PM): ohio, kentucky, north carolina, south carolina and florida assets for ben and shelly.. gina thompson shelley.. companies they own.. gaither b… melanie c ..
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:05:42 PM): this is what we need
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:05:53 PM): and shelley can be spelled shelly also
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:06:16 PM): donna hogan was ripped apart
Mod #3 (5/18/2007 10:06:22 PM): anything in new jersey to check?
Mod #1 (5/18/2007 10:06:22 PM): yes she was !!!!
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:06:23 PM): she was a pawn
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:06:44 PM): she thought she was going to make some money
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:06:47 PM): her book failed
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:06:55 PM): her producers was going to sue me
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:07:24 PM): they thought i read the book before it was made public
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:07:32 PM): that’s because i made her look so bad
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:07:39 PM): and everything i said was in the book
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:07:43 PM): just intuition
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:08:12 PM): i guessed what was in the book
Mod #2 (5/18/2007 10:08:24 PM): the whole family is crazy
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:08:28 PM): i know
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:08:35 PM): it gets worse as it goes on…
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:08:46 PM): that family is totally unbelievable
Mod #2 (5/18/2007 10:08:55 PM): whats up with mr.o’quinn, he is so quiet these days
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:09:03 PM): virgie is book shopping
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:09:08 PM): that’s why she’s so quiet
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:09:23 PM): lol
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:09:52 PM): he’s either doing one of two thing
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:11:02 PM): in michigan w/ his lawsuit against him for the breast implants
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:11:16 PM): or .. waiting for virgie to sell her book
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:11:33 PM): if any of you need me…
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:11:43 PM): my email is xxxxx@xxxxxx
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:12:26 PM): if i can help with anything i’m happy to
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:12:39 PM): i love you girls too!
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:12:48 PM): and i really appreciate all of your help
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:13:08 PM): if you find you don’t know which way to turn
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:13:14 PM): i can help many times
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:13:21 PM): i know what is being worked on…
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:13:36 PM): did you get the thing i sent about the thompson ford clan
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:13:44 PM): for all the assets
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:14:07 PM): what are all your names?
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:14:21 PM): send your name with the email
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:15:07 PM): ron is a good guy
bonnie stern (5/18/2007 10:15:15 PM): he’s howard’s closest friend
Mod #2 (5/18/2007 10:18:05 PM): that was soooo cool
One of the moderators was nice enough to send me that chat log. But, my newly developed suspicious mind said something wasn’t right. So I asked a friend to read the chat log. My friend “Googled” the email address that Bonnie had given the girls to send their work to. Boy, were we in for a shock!
Only one search was required. The email address was linked to a bondage, domination, sadism and masochism -BDSM- website and belonged to “R’s” husband.
The “research donations” had been trickling down to nothing and Bonnie knew that most of the people did not want to send their work to “R”. But that did not stop her from contacting one of my moderators to get the flow going again.
In fact, in the process of trying to get things moving again, one of the moderators who said that she had some legal background had offered to receive the research and do what “R” was doing so no one had to deal with her. But that never happened because all hell broke loose again.
I went exploring to see what all “R” was involved in. I went to domaintools.com and found that there were only five actual websites and one subdomain housed on “R’s” website hosting company. I had never seen that before. If you do a search for a hosting provider and then go to domaintools.com, they will tell you how many domains are hosted on a website hosting provider’s server. For instance, one provider is “Host Gator”. Host Gator right now has almost 800 sites and over 300,000 domains hosted on their servers. I had never seen one with less than 100 or so and that for new companies.
One domain was a BDSM site. One was labeled an “attorney assistance” site. One was a BDSM support group site. The other two were hard core porn sites. The subdomain was “R’s current blog..
In the meantime, it was discovered that the people who were already sending their information to that email address that Bonnie had given out were receiving a thank you note. It was about time these people got thanked. But the note said,
Dear xxxxxx,
We want to thank you for the work you and the volunteers you are working with for sending us all of this info. It is invaluable and is as you know very cost saving for Mr. Stern. We can not thank you and those who helped you for providing this to us.
Again on behalf of all of Mr. Stern’s legal team our deepest thanks, we will see this is separated and sent to the appropriate attorneys in California, Georgia, Florida and/or the Bahamas.
Cordially,
Legal liaison team for Mr. Stern’s attorneys
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Legal liaison team for Mr. Stern’s attorneys?
An acquaintance had contacted Bonnie and asked her who this email address belonged to. Bonnie’s reply was “legal liaison”. Period.
So readers, what would you think about someone who was trying to repair their reputation and was hiring legions of attorneys to sue for defamation? Do you think that his “legal liaison team” should be bundled with BDSM and porn sites?
I didn’t. So I emailed Attorney Ben Erwin with my findings.
I had not too long before, received a nice email from Attorney Ben Erwin from Lin Wood’s office thanking me for letting “VM” store the huge amount of video that he had gathered for Stern on my server.
The very next day, someone sent me a scathing commentary that “R” had posted on her website. Which is of course no longer there, but you can read it right here.
Let’s get it all out in the open here, who is the real “R”?
Posted in Uncategorized | | May 21st, 2007
It has come to my attention that a couple of blog owners and a few confidents went through the email that was offered of “sxxxdnxx@.com and googled the name, if you have my personally email addy it is easy to google my name as well.
We have never hid the fact that we work on and or own several very classy porn free, non-judgmental adult sites. One of the sites I design and we own is based on a magical castle and the URL is http://www.atruerose.com the close mindedness, the being told not to send your work product to the gmail account because (fill in the blank here), is based on frankly ignorance and the worse kind of bias.
Perhaps I was attracted to helping with the Howard K. Stern and Anna Nicole Smith lawsuits because my parents taught me at a young age to judge people by the content, of who they are, not by a label. My parents worked for Civil Rights in the south in the late 50’s when our home was on a list to be bombed. My parents encouraged me to stand by a good friend who “came out of the closet as gay” in 1964. Both of those situations opened my eyes, as how teaching narrow mindedness is probably the worse thing to harm the most people that have ever happened to us as human beings. I advocate we must be open-minded, we must not judge others, less we be judged; and above all else, “the truth shall set you free”. I do not push my life philosophy down the throats of others, nor do I expect everyone to understand me and judge me by the content of my person, and not a label hung on me by others.
I can tell all of you who have been told NOT to send anything to the gmail account listed above, that by doing that then your submitted work is DEFININATLY NOT being sorted; it is NOT going to the right offices and or to the people that need it. In other words, it is NOT helping except to give a handful of people some sort of misguided power they feel they need. The people who it was important for me to be honest with, know of the porn free adult web sites including http://www.naaval.org a site that wants all domestic violence to stop, no matter what your sexual orientation or what personal road you have picked to journey down.
If I had wanted to hide who I am, my thoughts, my personal beliefs, I would have never given anyone my personal email account nor would “K” have given his gmail account. We provided that without thought as to how this might be used and spread around to show whatever some people are trying to show or imply about us. Our only thought was to provide it as a drop all account to be sorted, separated into what is ready to go, what needs more work, and which legal team can make the best use out of it; I do not hide who I am, nor the life journey I have chosen, nor am I judgmental of others. I do have to wonder about those saying don’t send the info. that can help to that email addy because “she has an adult porn free site”, why are they even working on the Anna Nicole cases? Perhaps it was my ability to be open and non-judgmental that allowed me to see that something needed to be done and that I had some talent that could be of help.
I continue to hope you will help because everyone involved understands that many of you have done a lot of time consuming and hard work to help, and that it is appreciated by everyone. I hope you will use the above email addy, but if you choose not to, if you choose to send it to one of the 3 or 4 that are advocating boycotting that gmail account, then perhaps ask yourself, why?
Feel free to email me at xxxxxxxx@dotcom if you have sincere questions, if you want to ask me ANYTHING, then ask me, don’t use the internet to spread bias, come to the horse’s mouth so to speak.
“R” All rights reserved unless you think that by sharing this you might educate some close-minded person out there to release the need to “control everything and everyone” and become part of a team that wants to help because each of us have talents and that together we can make a difference.
Now you see, the point of my emailing Howard’s attorney had nothing personally to do with “R” and her lifestyle. It had to do with Howard K. Stern’s reputation. A reputation that he was suing people about because he claims that he was defamed by them.
My friend did the same but she also sent a copy to Bonnie Stern. Bonnie Stern then gave it to “R”. So much for her notes to people concerning her alleged “distress” about the controversy. Bonnie herself contributed to it and actually exacerbated it as she had been since April 19th.
But it did not end there. A few days later, another article written by “R” revealed that not only had the Stern family notified her of the concerns raised but, the attorney that I sent the email to called her on the phone. You can read this piece here.
http://r-speaks.4wnd.com/wordpress/?cat=1
(This has been removed from their site.)
May 26, 2007
“R” writes: Bloggers, sometimes and often their writings are based on inaccuracies and opinions. Any truths can be thrown out the window for those that seek sensationalism or want to be portrayed as the victim. For whatever reason their need to continue to share half-truths and inaccuracies will continue down that path…
This is an editorial opinion by “R”:
A person that says he is the “video/media” part of the “team” to help research and make things available to the Stern family and their lawyers, for some reason felt the need to zip up a blog and send it to me. When I asked why was this sent to me and what am I suppose to do with it, the answer was, “well I do the video you do the written parts and I thought you should know there were inaccuracies in this”.
HUH??? Bloggers, sometimes and often their writings are based on inaccuracies and opinions. Any truths can be thrown out the window for those that seek sensationalism or want to be portrayed as the victim. For whatever reason their need to continue to share half-truths and inaccuracies will continue down that path and I do not think any of us want to censor the internet, this is a wonderful tool of sharing and connecting for many of us. In fairness and in full disclosure the URL to the article sent to me is:
http://thisarticlenow removed
I think I might be able to give some guidance and my own take on the opinions offered by this “blogger”
“Some people even paid out of their own pocket for more extensive information, such as background checks and criminal information…. and they wanted to share what they found with Stern’s family and attorneys…one person volunteered to collect the information, and another volunteered to organize it and submit it to the parties involved.”
I think this fits many people researching out there and doing background checks, with public databases and private databases. I agree it is noble that people would offer their abilities to share, organize, and have a central one or two people then submit it to the right places to see the right set of lawyers or others get what they might be able to use with the least amount of expense to the Stern family.
“I’m still not sure how I got dragged into that online bit of drama…”
Perhaps by threatening and writing long and what was thought to be explosive emails to lawyers at different times about how unstable someone was or the lawyers should back away from a certain person because of the claims that (fill in the blank here, usually with my name though) is “unstable”. I love the newest attack sent out to lawyers and family members of the Stern team this week, “…You need to know besides being crazy, unstable, saying she is an employee of a law firm “gasps” the biggest bomb shell yet, she owns a BDSM porn site”… If you start emailing innuendos to lawyers not based on fact they tend to get back to the person you are targeting to discredit.
“And then, of course – because we are dealing with human beings – all hell had to break loose. Arguments broke out and were unresolved. Accusations were flung. Rumors started. Speculations ensued. Egos got involved. People began to think of themselves as employees or true representatives of attorneys involved in the case. They began to believe that a couple of e-mails made them “close” to this or that person. Lawsuits were threatened. Words were taken out of context to injure or discredit others. There were threats to find out who people “really” were. All of these harmful, crazy-making events mirroring, on a microcosmic scale,…”
Boy do I know what this blogger means here. I was the target of long rambling emails to lawyers stating that, “R” is saying she is an employee of your firm” and from there the emails go down hill.
Flash of reality. “R” is retired, and not allowed to make money but because of a terminal liver disease, is encouraged to use my brain cells on things that interest me. This multitude of cases and jurisdictions provided just what the doctor ordered and got my mind off myself and directed towards using my educational background and my training as well as my career background to stay busy. It also allowed me to have the feeling that perhaps I was doing something in some small way that might save money or help. However this, blogger is right, I have been trashed, had lawyers call me to ask me about “who is this woman emailing them they have never heard of”? The latest round this week of being targeted to a new lawyer from one of these firms after being sent this type of emails called me this week and had some simple but reassuring statements for me. “We are sorry your personal life came into all of this it should not have, it is none of our business and it will stay that way. Please keep doing what you are doing we do not have the researchers to separate out the real leads and what can be used and what can not be used, and we have decided not to even acknowledge the latest volley of emails against you with any response back”. I found myself sharing with the lawyer why I had decided not to become a lawyer and there was some laughter.
Was I embarrassed that I was trashed as “unstable”, representing myself as an employee and owned a “porn BDSM site”? Not really, that is what people into sensationalism do to get a rise out of the other person, trashing someone is easy, checking facts and trying to figure out where things turned sour takes effort, sadly a lot of people do not seem to want to spend any time or effort on that. Oh and for the record, I was the only person that had my full even my first name (you know the one your parents give you but you cringe in school when it is used) divulged and then sent around the global internet world. I am also the one that was threatened with “if one of the other parties’ lawyers knew about you”…
“Still, it only takes one unstable person to wreak havoc. While I’ve taken every precaution to protect myself online, I still have to wonder what would happen to my life if a web detective with poor intentions and a grudge turned on me. It’s a scary thought. I am not wealthy or famous… The fact that I’m not involved in any conflict or strife is something I cherish,…
I can relate to this, being the subject of attacks from people that in my opinion must be unstable to start this type of havoc. The damage that a few misguided people seeking attention have done to try to destroy me and my reputation. It is amazing the long emails that went out all about me. What about me as a person, which certainly the person writing these long emails of warning does not know me at all, could possibly warrant such vehement statements? Why is it that anyone that wants to help or send me emails to go through, sort, put in order and then send out are banned from these blogging sites and then they become targets of this same venom?
Human nature is complex and the motivations or even more complex, and frankly, I don’t have the time or inkling to try to unravel the web of deceit involved here.
“ (I) have used my words as weapons as well as salve …Among those is that a writer should never be afraid, of either her own words or the words of others..”
Well I think in those statements, perhaps the real reason of words as weapons is the answer to this long article sent to me, I believe that statement might be some what borrowed from historians.
What saddens me the most is that the very women writing these long emails do not know me, never tried to know me, made a snap judgment with no facts and because I would not give them the facts they demanded, they lost their way in all of this.
It also saddens me that anyone who stays neutral or says “do we really have the facts” ends up banned from their blogs… talking about freedom of speech or sharing differing opinions…
Oh and for the record, when these two women blog owners started accusing me of trying to sell leads to an investigative reporter… that was the most misguided statement of all, there is a saying…….. If only you knew the whole truth about that….
Sadly, this whole situation seems to have one central person at the center, the man who does the videos, when we choose to believe one person and not check the facts, what a tangle web we do weave.
Having a very dry sense of humor here, I will end this entry on my blog with a couple of ironic facts. One of these women set on my “porn free” adult site for almost 2 hours downloading every page she could find on me to a folder on her desk top named “BDSM”, perhaps after all is said and done she is seeking to understand.
Both women brag and do visit this blog on a regular basis, and this has to be about the most boring blog on the internet. And lastly, I have had the opportunity to read some of “_” writings and I think she is an amazing talented writer with a bright future if she wants to go that direction. The man that does the videos is terrific at tracking those down on youtube and other sources, saving them before a network finds them and deletes them. So all and all those that feed off of each other’s paranoia, really do have some great talents, however my personal advice to them is, get a grip on reality and go forth and share your talents.
“R” May 26, 2007
In all fairness, “R” denied having anything to do with those porn sites which are now (surprise) gone. But I saw plenty of graphics on her other site that weren’t so “wholesome” and are now also….gone. Also gone are the links which another friend of mine followed off of her site but displayed a notice that they were “taken down to prevent getting investigated by the FBI”. They were not on “R’s” site but one of them was BDSM games for children.
To be continued…
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I would like to comment about the recent post from “R’s” site that is going around. She names people and their locations that have visited her site like its some kind of crime. The crime is the public naming of site visitors and their locations. Very dangerous in this ever increasingly hostile situation. I know nothing about the threats that she speaks about or how they are associated with the visitors to her site. If there are threats, law enforcement should be called. But I can say that in the past couple of days that I saw “R” ON MY SITE.
Does that mean that she was threatening me? No. Should I put up a “wall of shame” for her and the other names and locations that I know that visit my site that are Howard supporters and like to harass myself and friends of mine? NO! My site is public and so is hers. Or at least it was the last time that I visited which was not in the time frame of when she posted my name and state. Could someone call the internet police task force because I think there is some illegal site visiting going on and “R” needs help with that. And by the way “R”… I am told that I am cute. Thanks for the compliment! :-)
http://www.tmz.com/2007/12/13/stern-still-pimpin-out-anna-nicole/704#c10010780
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5790353453966205926&q=anna+nicole+at+horizons&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 anna and shelley, outside of the horizons. also , video of howard trying to get Anna to talk to cousin Shelly.
sorry, i forgot to sign in above.
Tragic Indifference?
She is: “waiting outside my house for someone to kick me out” ?(in the video)
Howard told her she was an innocent victim, ON THE VIDEO. Watch the video of Anna and her donut holes. Howard is asking her to see cousin Shelly.IT was Anna”s decision. Just showing the facts that I found to be true, out of the mouth of ANNA.
Why did Howard have to video tape everything?
Anna was into selling anything that would sell, as far as the pics, and videos went. IT was easy money. And she liked to control any thing that had to do with her pics. i am looking for another link right now that tells about this. She was also furious at Vergie, because she asked for her pictures back, of daniel when he was younger, that she had left at Vergies when she and Daniel moved. SHE said Vergie just laughed at her, Then Vergie went on to sell the for only 5,000 dollars. Vergie, has reported that herself after being asked.
I have been wondering where Vergies hubby is, Haven’t seen hum for a while. Probably got tired of the limelight.
I doubt Anna had taken many pictures of Dan. She dumped him off at his grandmother’s and then threw him out of her house the year before he died.
I bet the pictures of Dan were Virgie’s and she had a right to sell some of them.
Vivian, I have questions about what has happened to Virgie’s husband myself. He sure came up missing in a hurry – then nothing! Maybe he is a decent man, wanted nothing to do with what was gong on around him and LEFT! He never made a fool of himself (at least that I know of) so if he is a decent man and if he is GONE from Virgie’s life then I wish him well.
i feel the same way Anne, He was very quiet, and seemed to really support her, so that makes her a lucky woman.Possibly he has to work also, so that would keep in from traveling with her. Keeping those home fires burning
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2007/02/she-may-be-a-great.php Want a laugh?? THIS IS A mUST READ, VERGIE”S comments
QV, Kudos for you for even allowing those with opposing views to speak their minds. Of course in my opinion, some are reaching a bit far, seeing as they have gotten tired of spouting the same old lies and inuendos all the time! I imagine Mr. & Mrs Arthur are getting a good chuckle at a few of the chronic inventors.
Carole, they are probably sitting and shaking their heads at the workings of such strange minds who think up such tripe. I know that I surely am.
True, I seem to recognize at least one of the names. She used to spout all the time how she relied on facts not speculation. She must have a split personality cause she’s most definitely walking the edge or reality tonight, Lucy
Is there any word about the nurse who was to testify, but could not be found?
I sure hope she’s okay.
The deranged rumors that have been started about VA never end.
All of this ridiculousness is just proving her case.
There is no way in hell HKS will walk away from this “unscaved” ROFLMAO
It’s amazing, isn’t it Carole, that the one you referenced who always wanted facts, dismissing all opinions that she didn’t like as wild speculation, that this same person is now *speculating* about the status of Mr. and Mrs. Arthur’s marriage and relationship to the point of actually trying to start a rumor it would seem?
Truly amazing the lengths some will go to when the *facts* don’t look good for their guy.
I hope not Wanda. He may walk away from the Bahama’s, but he will never escape Mrs. Arthur and the Mighty Quinn
Go figure, PZA, some people are just plain mean, spiteful, and jealous. How sad.
MAGIC WANDA Says:
January 29th, 2008 at 2:20 am
The deranged rumors that have been started about VA never end.
All of this ridiculousness is just proving her case.
There is no way in hell HKS will walk away from this “unscaved” ROFLMAO
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ROFLOL!!!
He may walk away in the legal sense for now anyway, but he will NOT go *UNSCAVED* in the grand scheme of things.
Karma will bite for sure.
My hunch is that the legal system will too.
Yep I can see him in prison orange, right now, singing “Don’t cha’ wish your girlfriend was hot like me?”
LMAO
Lol @ Carole..too funny! :-)
Anyway, I heard that a certain Howie site said that because I did not post the full chat with Bonnie Stern that I tampered with it in some way.
So, if anyone wants to see it, I posted the whole boring conversation http://annanicoleandhowardkstern.com/the-full-chat/
And I guess the inquest resumes tomorrow. As soon as I hear something Ill post that too…
Thanks to all..
Anne, your comment about Virgie’s husband was way out of line. Virgie was not in the room when Daniel died nor was Virgie and certainly not Virgie’s husband! Leave them alone.
oops,i meant to say neither was Virgie in the room when Anna died.
Virgie’s husband James Arthur has a job, he works. He is not always able to support his wife in the Bahamas.
Carole Says:
January 29th, 2008 at 2:27 am
Yep I can see him in prison orange, right now, singing “Don’t cha’ wish your girlfriend was hot like me?”
LMAO
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If it were in Austin Texas he would be wearing a pink jumpsuit.
Those are not rumors, everyone of thoes statements were taken out of her interviews, on the talk shows. I have heard her say everyone of those things. And there is no need to spread rumors, about Vergie. What ever was found and posted on this blog was the truth about Vergie, No one lied. We did’nt have to. her life is the way she lived it,she has no one to blame but herself, just like all the rest of us. I have never lied about Vergie, I have never posted a lie about Vergie, and I never will, about anyone. but I have to know what is true, before i post anything. rumors with out the facts are not for me.
AND if Howard deserves to go to prison, then i hope he is sent there. and yes i saw those pretty pink walls and out fits, sure makes a man proud.
there is a link on here about Ann’s computer. she ordered her own drugs, and put anyones name on them that she wanted. We are forgetting, that is was a short time span, that anna wanted to be kept, so sedated. IT was when daniel died, untill her death, She was a stable minded person, up until that time. she was happy in the Bahamas, she had a new baby girl, she had Daniel, and life was good. A new start so to speak, Daniels death was her own death. She could’nt go on with out him.
She was a stable minded person, up until that time. she was happy in the Bahamas, she had a new baby girl, she had Daniel, and life was good. A new start so to speak, Daniels death was her own death. She could’nt go on with out him.
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Vivian, how can you say she was happy in the Bahamas with her new baby girl and Daniel? Daniel was only there 12 hours.
and for those 12 hours, Anna’s life was complete. She had her two children with her, and that is what counted most to her. And Daniel, was up half the night with her, . helping her, and talking to her. She was very happy for that short time., and she was happy in the Bahamas before Dannielynn’s birth, She said she could take walks, and talk to the locals, and just wait for her baby’s birth. She was not drugged, there was no drugs in the baby’s system, so she was clear minded.
In a Last ditch effort to turn suspicion spun in Texas into prison stripes for Howard K. Stern, The BaLd Truth has learned Team Virgie 5uffered a major defeat when Florida prosecutors slammed the door on Don Clark’s desperate plea for a meeting to Lay out a theory supporting our claim of possible fouL pLay” in the death of Anna NicoLe Smith.
According to letters obtained exclusively by The Bald Truth, Clark Invoked the full weight of his FBI career and status as a television news analyst”— to pressure prosecutors to crank up a brand new independent criminal investigation into the death of Anna Nicole Smith.”
That’s what Clark wrote July 23, biuing himself as “investigative strategist and jury consultant” for legendary Texas litigator John O’Qulnn.
4 way of a brief introduction, lam Don. K. Clark, a retired FBI Special Agent in Charge (SAC) of FBI’s Criminal Division in New York City, San Antonio and the Houston, Texas FBi divisions,” he writes. “I retired from the FBI in 200Q and joined The O’Quinn Law
Firm. lam also a contract news analyst covering law enforcement, counterterrorism and security issues.”
Now that he’d “become heavily involved in the Anna Nicole Smith case,” Clark was volunteering to personally fly in with “members of our team…” and make a presentation supporting our cLaim of possible foul play in her death,” and basically prove how locals had blown the babe murder of the century.
Sorry, Don.
As politely as he could put it, veteran assistant state attorney and Broward’s chief homicide prosecutor Brian Cavanaugh, tried to let him down easy. He’d overseen the exhaustive probe by the county medical examiner, Seminote Police and other detectives who determined the ex-Playboy centerfold died of an accidental overdose at the Hollywood, Eta. Hardrock Hotel.
Along the way, he’d scratched his head over how to delve into Anna Nicole’s computer
for clues after retrieving the purloined laptop from Ford Shelley’s county sheriff in South Carolina, wbere the son of a legendary used car salesman and so called Anna Nicole friend had dumped his booty after taking it from her Horizons home the day after she died, but not before copying the hard drive.
Now Cavanaugh was staring at a possible treasure trove of evldence..according to sources who described his dilemma, but how could he rule foul play in our out without probable cause to convince a judge to issue a search warrant and dive in…unless the estate executor, Howard K. Stem, gave the okay? But would a killer do thot? Stern did.
Meanwhile, as he heard screaming from talk shows hosted by the likes of Rita Cosby and others, Cavanaugh saw no overtones or evidence of foul play; he was finding no smoking guns, video or live witness to say someone held Anna’s head and forced her to chug-a- lug deadly chloral hydrate…The only thing he smelled, according to t v Imow him, was a foul aroma wafting from Clark’s letter, that also applauded an investigation into “allegations of impropriety against Judge Larry Seidlin.”
Seidlin, of course, had ruled against Virgie Arthur’s request that Anna’s body be buried in Texas, against her daughters wishes, and Virgie had not forgotten.
Only, Cavanaugh hadn’t fallen off the turnip truck yesterday. He’d spent years dissecting and prosecuting murders in South Florida, a land as bloody, bizarre and political as it comes…the prosecutor chosen to nail the killers of the cruise ship owner connected to a White House lobbyist named Jack Abramoff. A native New Yorker, his father was the legendary NYPO homocide detective who inspired the television series, “Kojak.”
Cavanaugh loved coaching kids, and everyone called him “coach.”
To hear locals tell it, he’s as smart and fair as they come, but never invested a penny in the Brooklyn Bridge. Politely, he told the FBI veteran to put up or shut up.
“We asked, ‘Where’s the beef?” Cavanaugh told sources pri’ to the negotiations. “Like the old Wendy’s commercial, we Looked between the bun and couldn’t find any.”
Cavanaugh invited Clark to turn over any “legitimate evidence of probative value” to his office and Dr. Joshua Perper, the highly regarded Broward Medical Examiner wtio had announced their accidental overdose findings months earlier.
He waited, and waited. No legitimate evidence was offered, sources tell me.
Dr. Perper patiently laid it out again; shnigging off talk show barbs, even telling me he’d met with Bahamian police and told them he saw no evidence tying Smith’s death to that of her son, Daniel, except a broken heart that was on the mend. He’d taken plenty of hair and tissue samples and saw no reason for any exhumation request. Barely able to contain his irritation, but ever the good sport, he bantered with Geraldo, then he was off to give a speech to the country’s top medical examiners In Savannah, Georgia. He was their star.
Now, Clark was on the phone asking Cavanaugh for a face to face meeting, between his team and the prosecutor’s.
Only Cavanaugh, sources tell me, had been watching the full court hype from Texas, attacking every aspect of the Florida investigation after the fact with talk show disinformation and bogus bloggers.
He figured, no good would come of such a meeting, that it might, in fact, be used to declare a Texas victory where there was not one yet, or even close, in Florida.
In fact, Cavanaugh’s task fccce figured they’d not only nailed the cause of death, but the manner of hype. Don Clark’s boss, John O’Quinn, of course, had been calling Stern a
murderer on nationaL N, a man they believed to be Innocent, or at least had no evidence to come close to cuffing.
A defamation suit against the Texas ‘awyer was brewing, but there was one thing that would surely make it go away, Legal experts telL me if Stern were charged with something, anythIr criminaL.
And even though he may be just a state prosecutor with the 17th Judicial Circuit, perhaps Looked down on by mighty FBI types as backwoods boys, Cavanaugh did know one thing. He wouLd not be Laid, reLayed or parlayed into gator bait for the sake of Team Virgie when his investisation concluded just hod been done.
Unless, of course, CLark did uncover down the road real evidence of vaLue that dictated another Look, at which time, he wrote, ‘ merits of your presentation might be explored.”
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thanks lets not forget, i think many people have forgotten, all the defeats in the courts, in the Bahama’s and Flordia, and Ca. And this is the court system that has no agenda. BUT some will keep going for the sake of the almighty dollar.
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I agree VIVIAN
ERRRRRRRRRRRR NO NOT SPAM. THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!
VIVIAN
How much you wanna bet it gets removed?
Ill leave it there but don’t make a habit of it. An excerpt and a link is fine.
OK I will not make a habit of it.
Thanks
ANytime QV. I will respect you and your site, even if we do not agree.
QV and LETSNOTFORGET:
Nice to see such civility in spite of differences. Thank you.
Thanks too, QV for what you do in providing your site and articles.
QV Says:
January 29th, 2008 at 2:34 am
And I guess the inquest resumes tomorrow. As soon as I hear something Ill post that too…
Thanks to all..
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Thanks QV. It will be very much appreciated.
AlamoGirl, I made the following post…..
“I have questions about what has happened to Virgie’s husband myself. He sure came up missing in a hurry – then nothing! Maybe he is a decent man, wanted nothing to do with what was gong on around him and LEFT! He never made a fool of himself (at least that I know of) so if he is a decent man and if he is GONE from Virgie’s life then I wish him well.
You then made this comment to me….
“Anne, your comment about Virgie’s husband was way out of line. Virgie was not in the room when Daniel died nor was Virgie and certainly not Virgie’s husband! Leave them alone”
Don’t understand your response (about who was or was not with Daniel) since I was only saying that Virgie’s husband might be a decent person and if we never know anything else about him I wish him well. Now, would I be out of line to ask you to LEAVE HOWARD ALONE? I’m not asking you to leave Howard alone only asking if I did would I be out of line?
OV absolutely “gets” you Anne. Take your little quips back to Harlots.
QV, I’ll be check off and on today to see whats leaking out of the inquest. Let’s hope for the truth.
What seems so obvious to some seems to completely elude others. We’ve all known since day one of this saga that Mr Arthur is not retired yet. He has a JOB. Not everyone is able to walk in and tell the boss that they’ll be back when they GET back. Most have vacation time and that’s it. Mr Arthur was with Mrs Arthur several times last year, which I assume may have been his vacation time but then he probably ran out of vacation and was no longer able to accompany her. I never for a moment found anything strange about that since I’ve spent my entire married life with a man who worked for a living and was often not able to travel with me when I needed to travel. When he had vacation, he went. When his vacation was used up, he worked and I went alone or with a female friend or two. I’m almost positive that no one thought he was “missing in a hurry” or any other such stupid thing. We weren’t joined at the hip and we both did what we needed to do at the time, just as it seems the Arthur’s are doing. Now it’s a new year, with new vacation time on the books. Isn’t Mr A presently in the Bahamas with Mrs A? As much as some would love the scandal of a divorce, extra marital affair or whatever, I believe it’s probably just wishful thinking. So why don’t we just chalk up Mr Arthur’s absences under the heading of “not of major importance” and assume that he is still working and helping to support the household. Not everyone can, or would even want to live off someone else and not contribute anything to their upkeep.
Hip! Hip! Lucy! You said it a lot better than I could.
I think Virgie’s got herself a good man…
He looked like a ‘teddy bear’ to me.
’bout time, somebody loved her!!!!!
miranda??? Anna did not DUMP daniel off, She lived there with them. and i am sorry, that whenAnna and Daniel moved, Daniel did not have any contact with Vergie. Vergie said, she called to take him to a movie , and Anna would not let him go with her. I do believe Anna did not want to share Daniel’s love with anyone, like she did not want to share most anything with anyone. i think she was selfish, But howard Srern was not in the picture. Anna was possive, of every one and everything , and if you did not do her bidding, you were gone. Vergie knows that and Larry knows that. And Howard knows that. That tell you why Howard is still around. Vergie did try, like many after her. Anna was her own manager, Howard did as he was told. said what he was told. And he is still doing it with his attornies. I think if all these attornies on both sides would get lost, things could be worked out in a more civil manner. Larry was smart to get rid of Opri.
From what I’ve read, Larry needed Opri.
He didn’t really know he did, though, maybe.
Or, maybe he wasn’t fully aware of how important ‘he’ was, or maybe it was just darn scary…
Anyway…seems things have worked out nicely, in that regard, so far…
This is all bubbly like a ‘soap’ or something.
I’m finding this a nice distraction from, all the forms, and my everyday life.
Why would anyone dump their friend, because of allegations?? Also Howard was there to get his dogs., there was a nanny there, Larry and Dannie live next door. Dr.E has a husband if anyones minds are going that way. Go to Hollywood, and see all the drs, for the stars, and the coctails they mix, for them, i think it shouild be against the law my self. And jerry Brown knows all about that hollywood scene He went with Linda Ronsted for years, and knows about all these drs. Lindsay lohan just went to one who gave her a prescription of drugs all leathel if mixed wrong. i have posted that link 10 times . excuses, but Anna got drugs delivered in many names, and if she used Howards name, so be it. he would not tell her not too. she ordered them and had for many years. because this one short time in her life, with Daniel dying, caused tis horrible accident.
Gosh, if Daniel had known how important he was…
Wish Opri had been there for him…
Once upon a time!!!
Of course, Daniel’s daddy, didn’t know how important he was…
But from what I read he was a wonderful cook…
I think Vicki loved him…
And two became one, and that equals something greater than all the above.
Anyway, that was then, and this is now.
Bonnie and Howard compose such vile posts about Mr. and Mrs.Arthur. Shame on them, attacking their betters.
Their time would be better spent in searching the Positions Available section of the LA Times for a dog-walking position for Howard or something equally as prestigious, for him.
I wonder how comfortable the sofa is at DL’s house in Studio City for such a layabout ?
I doubt that Anna was coherent enough to order anything there when the last few loads of drugs were obtained. Judging from the ;last few tapes we saw, I’d say she would have been hard pressed to dial a telephone number with someone calling out one number at a time for her.
Oh dear, MirandaRights,
When was the last time you searched for legal advice?
Have you ever?
Do you know what ‘it’ costs?
Do you know how ‘they’ earn it?
It’s more than ‘paper work.’
Which makes me think of those commercials…
Something about ‘Doctors.’
Oh, yeah, and ‘Insurance.’
LOL!!!
I agree Lucy. I believe Anna’s last coherent thought was “Howard killed my son!” After trying to kick him out of her life, Howard had Dr. E “knock her out” literally….two days down, one day up.Which raises an interesting theory once more. Larry is reported to have stated to the RBPD that Goen was supplying something injectable….could it have been CH? What better way to lose weight than to go two days at a time without eating. I wonder if Larry is going to be questioned about what he supposedly told the police.
attacking anyone one with with any kind od untruths,and inuendoes, are vile in my book. it only gives self satisfaction, for the anger we have in us. i believe the first attack was made by Vergie, and OQuinn. As far as Bonnie goes, she has done more harm to Howard than good. How does anyone know that howard slept at Dr, E’s , This is what brings on attacks from the Howard lovers, why would you want to debate them? they really hate me, but I ignore them, Evidence is what i look for, not every posters opinions.
The funny thing is that Nancy Grace, and Greta Vansteren (or how ever you spell her last name), and Geraldo Rivera (sp?), are smarter than most of the rest of us…
Oh, and Rita Cosby, too!!!
So, did they know exactly what they were doing?
Of course, they did.
And, you may not like them…
and you may be…
“Afraid of The Truth,”
TITLE BY QV!
Now, the story goes that once upon a time, a famous Texas Attorney, was on the pursuit of justice for his client(s), and he was doing what he could ‘within the Law,’ to represent them…
Let’s see…
I really think once upon a time he believed in what he ‘did.’
Has anyone seen the movie, “The Devil’s Advocate?”
Anyway, there are so many darn hoops these people jump through, after a while they all look like a bunch of circus performers…
Of course, they are not ‘dumb monkeys.’
And by-the-way, I applaud the many that took on the Tobacco Industry…
He had guts…but now it seems he has Diabetes (sp????????).
And, I guess he took on the plastic surgeons, too.
Or the manufacturers of silicon implants.
I bet, he’s done some good in his lifetime.
Wonder how much respect he has for his ‘interns.’
Did he forget, how hard it really is?
Of course, it used to be a lot easier, in the old days.
Still I think this man’s heart is in the right place.
He’s still ‘practicing,’ right????
I’m trying to see how long I can make this, LOL.
I could go on and on and on…
Was Howard, after all…a little naive…or just an ‘understudy.’
Up against all odds.
What about Anna and Danny…and then what about Billy!!!!
OKay, let’s see if this gets posted or not…sure is fun to sit on my butt and Type!!!!
See what withdrawals do, I stayed away for a day….and made up for lost time, LOL.
Makes me wonder about you, QV!!!
What or who are you, and what kinda’ education did you pay for or earn.
I really like your ‘link’ to the rescue site…and in my eyes that makes you not all bad.
Love Always,
Freida
By-the-way did you get the ‘link’ to “Dog For Sale?”
He’s FREE!!!!!
There were no “attacks” made by Anna’s mother and her lawyer. They were only saying out loud what most of the world was already thinking, including Chief Magistrate Roger Gomez who said both deaths were highly suspicious.
As Anna’s mother, Mrs. Arthur had every right to state the obvious.
Larry Birkhead had already been all over the tv networks telling how Howard stuffed Anna with drugs, even during the pregnancy.
For those who seem dazed that a connection was made, maybe you should reconsider because Anna died from drugs and so did her son and Howard was the bearer and provider of said drugs. Not a difficult equasion at all.
It would have been very odd had Larry not made the connection, over and over again as he did for all the world to hear.
Larry, a ‘Knight in Shining Armor’ is not…
He was maybe, not unlike Billy.
Just more ‘Fortunate.’
And that’s really a darn shame.
And, there’s another man also, Vicki Lynn’s DNA daddy.
Of course, maybe it’s all up to ‘Fate.’
I sure would like to sit down and have a talk with HH, I think he could inspire me.
I have not seen or heard any evidence that Howard ORDERED THE DRUGS Please post a link. i have heard his name ws on them, he may have picked them up at a drug store, with any of many names nna had used way before she knew howard.
Greetings from HonKong, Missy Q.V. would like to say you are fine Lady. You have heart.
CALLING SOMEONE A MURDERER is not an attack?
Howard should really sue Larry because Larry told the world over and over that Howard kept Anna on a leash and drugged up. Of course Howard won’t sue Larry because he hasn’t got deep pockets but does have a comfy sofa at DL’s house.
Hong kong phooey
Hong Kong phooey number super guy
Hong kong phooey quicker than the human eye
Hes got style, a groovy smile….. :)
Remeber that cartoon from the 70′s ?
The inquest was pushed back to l:00 p.m. today as per Love 97 radio. Wayne Munroe is what set the time back from l0:00a.m. to l:00 p.m. He was busy with new filings this a.m.
The nannies can not be found despite repeated calls to their attorney Liz Thompson. She has not returned calls and inquiries.
http://www.streamcomedia.com/love97streamplayerinfo.html
Missy Mish, You have been to HongKong? No cartoon in Hong Kong, from 70, what? you got link??
So many of the inquest witnesses who were adverse to Howard are now MIA.
Chilling !!
What do you suppose happened, to the adverse witnesses.,? Do you suppose they have been murdered, paid off, OR decided they would not lie under oath?? All of the ABOVE are against the law.
Thank you “TheRestOfTheStory”
Now we can all listen. My area is having high wind and storms and I keep losing my internet and phone connections..
I am going to try to make a new thread for the inquest if I can stay online long enough..
Thanks again…
Larry has also said in later interviews, what he was saying at that time, was because of what he was going through. I was in anger he said what he said. and if that was his opinion than so be it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfeAqlYv2wQ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_Phooey
You’re very welcome QV. It’s nice to be able to listen to the news stories in the Bahamas. That way there is no spin from the spin zone. Everyone can listen for themselves.
Larry’s description of Stern has been verified by many of the people who were part of Anna’s life including Moe who says he was threatened by Stern through Wood.
VIVIAN Says:
January 29th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
miranda??? Anna did not DUMP daniel off, She lived there with them.
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Wrong. She dumped him off and she moved to a trailer park with a hair dresser
What’s wrong with that?
MAGIC WANDA Says :Wrong. She dumped him off and she moved to a trailer park with a hair dresser
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Thank you
Anna was a party girl and Danny got in the way. Later on Marshall paid for his care because Anna didn’t have time for a child.
I’m not in a good mood today.
I’ve gotta go read a bunch of mess.
Oh, some relief at last, a new ‘thread’ to weave…I mean read.
Thank you, QV.
I’ve been holding my breath!!!
VIVIAN Says:
January 29th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
What do you suppose happened, to the adverse witnesses.,? Do you suppose they have been murdered, paid off, OR decided they would not lie under oath?? All of the ABOVE are against the law.
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Paid off
Things that make u go hmmm… Says:
Paid off
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Wouldn’t take all that much for illegal aliens either, maybe just a threat or two.
Almost everything in this “reality show” has been illegal.
Well I once lived with a stripper and she had a baby boy.
Of course, she thought of him…
Of course, she didn’t know that to think…
She had no help from her family that wanted to enslave her…
Or the man, the father of the baby, that impregnated her.
And, she was just a little, baby herself…
She was so pretty…everybody wanted her to pay in some way…
And she did.
She was a kid for goodness sakes, and a dreamer, and so many young men contributed to that dream, and she had no self esteem.
Less than Anna’s.
Sure is a shame what everyone did to her, especially the men that watched her destroy herself…
By the way, they thought ‘it’ was all her fault, that she didn’t know any better…
And, I don’t blame her family, I mostly blame those cold hearted men that ‘paid’ her to undress.
Wish Hefner had been there to save her from that misfortune.
Can you remember when you were fifteen or sixteen or even seventeen or eighteen…
And to only have people gawking at you because you are so ‘blessed’ to be pretty?
I guess that last comment was too, sad or true for you…
It was the truth, are you afraid?
I’m not anymore.
Well, that’s a lie ’cause I’m a whimp.
We all know what’s ‘missing’ here…
MIA daddy’s, I think.
The ‘DNA’ one’s are usually the one’s that don’t realize how much they have to offer…except sperm.
And, of course little girls just want to have fun, right?
I agree, Miranda, paid off. Looks like the nannies finally got the money they weren’t able to get from Rita.
Even nannies have to eat, don’t they? They have no stripper to live off.Looks like Lincoln exploited them to the limit and then helped hide them away so that they couldn’t tell their side of the story in court.
Injustice is being served.
VIVIAN Says:
What do you suppose happened, to the adverse witnesses.,? Do you suppose they have been murdered, paid off, OR decided they would not lie under oath??
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I would be willing to bet the farm they decided not to lie under oath.
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Vivian, you also said……..This is what brings on attacks from the Howard lovers, why would you want to debate them? they really hate me, but I ignore them, Evidence is what i look for, not every posters opinions.
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I know it is unimportant to you but I do not hate you. I like you and I certainly respect you.
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MirandaRights Says:
January 29th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
There were no “attacks” made by Anna’s mother and her lawyer.
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Sorry, but that is the most insane statement I have heard since the beginning.
Virgie’s attacks on Anna and Howard started immediately after Daniel died – after Anna’s death the attacks against Howard only increased.
Calling Howard a murderer, the 7 life insurance policies that never were, the will (THAT WAS NOT FAXED before Anna died, and the list goes on and on and on…………….
Wasn’t the time and date stamp given on the fax actually before Anna died? I thought it was.
Lucy Says:
January 30th, 2008 at 2:40 am
Wasn’t the time and date stamp given on the fax actually before Anna died? I thought it was.
Lucy, Lucy, Lucy!!! I don’t even know what to say to someone who could make a statement this misleading when we all know the facts concerning that fax and so do you.
The only “fact I know about the Fax, Anne, Anne, Anne!!! is that it was sent BEFORE Anna died. I always thought that was very strange indeed. Almost makes one think that someone was double checking the wording or something.
Lucy Says:
January 30th, 2008 at 3:36 am
The only “fact I know about the Fax, Anne, Anne, Anne!!! is that it was sent BEFORE Anna died. I always thought that was very strange indeed. Almost makes one think that someone was double checking the wording or something.
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IT WAS NOT AND YOU PROBABLY KNOW IT!!! You must not have followed this case as closely as you should have or you would know better than to make such a stupid statement. I really feel sorry for people who are so filled with hate that they finally reach a point of being pathetic.
No, I don’t know it and certainly YOU don’t know “it” and not much of anything else it would seem. I have followed the case as closely as you apparently have and know stupidity when I read it. What’s that line that reads something like “stupidity, thy name in AnnAnne”? lol
Sweetie, please, please save your “sorry” for someone who wants it. You and the rest of your clan are too pathetic for words and have half of every board in stitches with your ignorance. What I find pathetic is a bunch of women who are so infatuated with a “man” that they refuse to see what’s right before their eyes.
Anne, no need to shout.
You like facts I believe.
Well, it’s a FACT that the date and time stamp on that fax was a few days before Anna *died*.
Krista and Ron saying that the fax machine was broken does NOT make it a fact.
The fax machine was never examined or entered into evidence – another FACT.
Gee what is an attorney/executor to say when he requests his clients will prior to her death.
Whoops!
There is no way in hell HKS will come out of this “unsaved”
ROFLMAO
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