There is going to be a bit of a delay with Part 3 of the story. I hope to have it out as soon as possible. In the meantime, part of Howard K. Sterns January 4th, 2008 deposition has been filed along with Virgie Arthur’s response to Stern’s motion to dismiss and the exhibits.
I would like to thank the ladies that donated these documents for publication on this site.
Howard K. Sterns partial deposition. Dated January 4th. This is concerning the jurisdiction issue.
http://annanicoleandhowardkstern.com/HKStern-partial-depo-1-11-08.pdf
Plaintiffs (Virgie Arthur) response to defendant Howard K. Sterns motion to dismiss for lack of personal jurisdiction.
http://annanicoleandhowardkstern.com/VArthur-response-jurisdiction-1-11-08.pdf
Exhibits in support of Virgie Arthur’s response.
http://annanicoleandhowardkstern.com/VArthur-exhibits-response-1-11-08.pdf
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I am going to enjoy,Virgie being taken down by the courts,I am glad in my 70- years have have never come across the likes of Virgie and friends,I would be in church splashing myself with HOLYWATER, Virgie will never accept that she caused ANNA DEATH,NOT THE DRUGS,PER SAY, Anna needed and wanted her Mother not a cop.a MOTHER,How she has treated LARRY,shows me how she treated ANNA,she could be enjoying her grandchild WHY IS SHE NOT, lARRY WELCOME HER AS A GRANDMA,BUT HE!!,MARSHALL MONEY FIRST,GRANDCHILD SECOND
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I doubt there will ever be Marshall money.
Virgie wasn’t in the room with either Anna or Daniel when they died and yet she is continuously pounded by people who are defending someone who was.
I’m so glad that Virgie will get finally get some justice for having two DEAD children.
Howard did not know that Virgie lived in Texas….can you believe the lies that are in that depo? Reads like munbo jumbo.
Dang Bev, I for one am glad that Virgie has never ran into anybody with all the hate you have expressed. Danger, Danger.
This is comtempt ,for a woman who will not admitt she had a hand in Anna,s death.Alamo girl,tell me WHY Virgie is not holding her grandchild,tell me WHY Larry,has to go to court so Virgie can have custody of dannielynn and her Money,tell me why she did not take the first plane to the Bahamas,when she found out Danniel died.instead of putting her ugly self on tv,the ander I feel is for a DEAD GIRL WHO ALL SHE WANTED WAS HER MOTHERS LOVE AND NEVER GOT IT,YOU ARE VERY RIGHT,TO BAD THIS MUCH FUSS WAS NOT MADE WHEN ANNA WAS ALIVE.
The answer to all your questions about what Virgie does not have is simple: It’s HOWARD!
Beverly,You really need help with all that hatred. I hope in your 70 years on Earth you were not this angry. What is the problem?My goodness do you think Virgie would want anyone like you as a friend? Anna was fun and easy going,I am sure she would not even like. I bet you would scare the pants of even Howard. You are a scary woman.
TO Julie B, julie maybe you should find a methadone clinic and work,maybe you will understand ,time and time again the young one,s both boy,s and girl,s where looking for the love of a parent,maybe you should work in a drug clinic,and see the results of children that are thrown by the wayside.you keep telling me about my hate ,you do not answer the question, LARRY IS NOT WITH howard so stop saying howard.LARRY AND VIRGIE WHERE TOGETHER UNTILL VIRGIE WANTED CUSTODY AND CONTROLL OF DANNIELYNN MONEY. LARRY did not even get to enjoy the first year of dannielynn life,when virgie and OQ TWO GREEDY SUB HUMAN,S WENT AFTER THE MONEY ISSUE,you like a grandmother like that,could not give a young new father the change to be with his child,
Bev, you are way off topic. This subject is the depositions…..
Your Mother is Your Mother is Your Mother – good or bad – your Mother is your Mother. One of our ten commandments is “honor they father and thy mother” – give this woman a break – her daughter stayed away from her because she did not approve of her lifestyle or drug use – but she was in fear for her life, as she stated on live television after Daniel’s death, she said, “Anna, you could be next”. Howard divided her from her loved ones – it’s a tactic “divide and conquer”. Just because she was angry with her mother or hurt or whatever, they would have eventually worked it out.
Anna wasn’t well enough to make decisions about where to bury her son – look how long he was at the morgue – over 30 days? Howard chose those plots and signed for them, not Anna. Howard was the one making the decisions, that’s clear.
If you take the time to read the Will that he’s responsible for preparing – you will see that he protected himself, not Anna nor her heirs. The estate was only to be given in parts over time to Daniel – and he could manage it for his entire lifetime – and be paid handsomely for it, and do it in ANY LOCATION – so I guess he expected to be outside of this country.
Let’s face it: if he had in fact been looking out for her best interests, the Will would have been updated. It was in his best interest not to do it.
Look at the facts.
The depo proves that Howard and ET collaborated to make a drugged up Anna talk bad about her mother.
What a revealing look into the mind of a liar! Looks like Howard will be hoist by his own petard. Justice for Anna and Daniel may be slow in coming, but I do believe it will get there!
Think about the only two people in the world ANS hated and why she hated them, she loved those drugs more than she did her mom, her babys dad, and even her baby.
5663. Re: depo section posted last night:
“Ms. Marshall obtained a judgment for over 88 million against Pierce Marshall in that action (Exhibit H, p. 69, 136). Mr. Stern claims a 6^ interest in any recovery for the estate of Ms. Marshall in that action. He claims to have a con*tingency fee agreement to that effect but he has not produced it in response to a discover request.”
He claims to have a con*tingency fee agreement to that effect but he has not produced it in response to a discover request.
He claims to have a con*ingency fee agreement to that effect but he has not produced it in response to a discover request.
He claims to have a con*tingency fee agreement to that effect but he has not produced it in response to a discover request.
Wonder where & when he will “find” that do c*ment? Yeah. Right….Leads one to doubt the other do c*ments… like, the WILL????
Yes. I agree: “It’s Texas Time!”
Posted at 11:57AM on Jan 12th 2008 by passing thru
Worth reposting over here.
I have many issues with Vergie, and have since i first saw her in the court room in Flordia. she was lying, oquinn lied, howard lied, ford shelly lied, ben thompson lied, if he was ther THEY ALL lie. the only one i felt even told close to the truth was Larry. he has been just crusified for wanting his child. TO he– with the others, just get Dannie And Larry away from all the rest of them, untill we see “”WHO IS THE BIGGEST LIAR”"”
AlamoGirl Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
The depo proves that Howard and ET collaborated to make a drugged up Anna talk bad about her mother.
and your delusional.
The depo is over 150 pages long. I ask you why O’Quinn only filed 31 pages? Wonder what was in those other 100 more pages that O’Quinn and VA don’t want to get out?
“conspired to make a drugged up Anna talk” Are you kidding???
I’ll borrow a quote form QV here
“WHERE’S THE BEFF?”
http://www.verdicts-forecast.com/oquinn.html
better watch out who owns the judge when you go to court in texas”"”
I cannot believe that Beverly actually things that Virgie had a hand in Anna’s death. I hope I am not that stupid when I am seventy.
Thanks QV for posting the documents on your site and thanks also to the ones that provided them.
Beverly, Anna’s childhood did not kill her, drugs did. If I were to extend your ‘logic’ outside of this case, then all drug and alcohol related deaths would be caused by bad childhoods. For that matter, all suicides, and all deaths caused by smoking, and people who did not take care of themselves, would be the fault of poor parenting. Bunk.
Jenny, it is not the custom or habit of attorneys to include a full deposition with their court documents, only the portion which pertains to the motion they have filed. The judges have no interest in reading an entire deposition, only the part that pertains to their decision.
Julie, it is hardly unusual for an estate left to a young person to be doled out in portions. Secondly, if you have children, how long after their births did you update your will? Do you even have one? And should one die, would updating your will be on your mind?
Seriously, IMO, I don’t get all the online hate. Neither Vergie or Howard are perfect. Anna CHOSE not to have Vergie in her life, and she CHOSE Howard. She also chose drugs, Larry Birkhead, Ben Thompson, the Bahamas and the rest. Howard certainly did not pull the strings. If he did, would she have gotten pregnant with Birkhead’s baby? Would she have bedded Thompson? Be logical!
I understand sympathy towards one or another person, but I don’t understand the hatred expressed here for either Vergie or Howard. They are both faulty human beings, and coulda-woulda-shoulda done things differently.
Yes, Jennydogooder, The depo is over 150 pages long.
You asked why O’Quinn only filed 31 pages? That is because he only needed those 31 pages for the motion attachments.
As for the rest of the depo, that will either be addressed in court or forwarded to the DOJ. Obviously the depo is composed of Stern’s answers to questions, therefore it is not Virgie or O’Quinn who have anything to hide, and from what came out of Stern’s mouth, he’s in big big trouble.
beverly Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
This is comtempt ,for a woman who will not admitt she had a hand in Anna,s death.Alamo girl,tell me WHY Virgie is not holding her grandchild,tell me WHY Larry,has to go to court so Virgie can have custody of dannielynn and her Money,tell me why she did not take the first plane to the Bahamas,when she found out Danniel died.instead of putting her ugly self on tv,the ander I feel is for a DEAD GIRL WHO ALL SHE WANTED WAS HER MOTHERS LOVE AND NEVER GOT IT,YOU ARE VERY RIGHT,TO BAD THIS MUCH FUSS WAS NOT MADE WHEN ANNA WAS ALIVE.
I have a sister in law that was a drug addict and no matter what the mother did or the father did she went wild and lost her license for life. she did get them back later in life but cost her a fortune. She had a little girl later after she left home and she was so dopped up that the paper showed her little girl laying on the bed with coats on her. She has sense straighten up and her mom and her are the best of friends. There was an enabler that had her under her cluches. She straighted up and he went to jail for drugs for years
to mee,when you reach 70,i hope you are a little more mature,CHILDHOOD HAS PROFOUND EFFECT,ON WHAT HAPPENS TO US AS ADULTS.Try going back to school,but if you have not learned it yet you never will.TO I AN NOT SURPRISED WHAT HAPPEN TO ANNA AS A CHILD HAD A LASTING EFFECT NO LOVE FROM HER MOTHER TILL THE DAY SHE DIED ,
Seems everyone wanted Marshall’s money.
You can’t take it with you.
‘turnabout’ is one word
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN,I wish someone would explain,WHY so many adults that were molested by priests,when they were children, are still unable to cope with life,I am sure NOT AT ALL SURPRISED can explain,you have all the answers,millions of dollars have been given to them.WITH YOUR LOGIC,these people are liars,
I think Vigie is that ‘Yellow Rose Of Texas?’
Virgie…not Vigie…
here I go again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDIa4xmz2l8
Mom/Virgie wants custody of Dannielynn’
ANNA NICOLE SMITH’s mother has arrived in The Bahamas in an effort to look after the best interests of her late daughter’s baby DANNIELYNN.
More at: http://www.pr-inside.com/anna-nicol…-the-r50268.htm
I think we have to remember that Vergie threw Anna away. Sent her to her aunt’s. How was someone else supposed to handle Anna if her mother could not.
The Yellow Rose of Texas is NOT Virgie!
Thank you AlamoGirl…
I rest my case!!!!
Heck, I’m not gonna rest…
This is for Virgie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr2oygZjL2E
I actually lived through the Disco era…imagine that…intermission, between all the rock and rap.
LOL.
I have read the page today and would like to respond to all of those who attack Bev
First I understand what you are saying but I also understand some of what the other side is saying that some times some adults come out as drug addicts and their parents are not at fault. I will give them that part of the argument.
We are talking about Anna and VA on this discussion (and to who ever says it is off topic, I disagree) I also do not see any hate in Beverly, just frustration with these parents who will not fess up to their problems. Parents make a lot of mistakes and the ones that admit to them help heal their children.
In regards to Anna it is clear to so many of us why she had so many problems after watching this women behavior. Did you listen to the way she talked about her deceased daughter on national TV in court? She showed complete contempt for her. She has not given Anna one bit of respect, not even in death, she continues to disgrace her daughter.
IMO all she would have to do is stop this pursuit of DL, and stop talking bad about her daughter.
TO put things in perspective, Anna lied and Howard would swear to it. HE lied for Anna’s benefit, not his own. and once you lie it mushrooms. he told those lies while anna was a live, and now he is stuck with them. Anna had no qualms about lying, we should all accept that by now. She lied in court on the marshall case, she lied everytime it would suit her purpose.through her whole life. She lied to many about Dannie Lynns; father. she lied about the Horizion house, she knew that was not a gift. we have to be honest here. HOWARD IS NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO LIED, WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE OTHERSIDE. i KNOW A bunch OF LIES THEY TOLD, AND ARE STILL TELLING. those is just the facts
maryst Says:
January 13th, 2008 at 1:28 am
I have read the page today and would like to respond to all of those who attack Bev
First I understand what you are saying but I also understand some of what the other side is saying that some times some adults come out as drug addicts and their parents are not at fault. I will give them that part of the argument.
We are talking about Anna and VA on this discussion (and to who ever says it is off topic, I disagree) I also do not see any hate in Beverly, just frustration with these parents who will not fess up to their problems. Parents make a lot of mistakes and the ones that admit to them help heal their children.
In regards to Anna it is clear to so many of us why she had so many problems after watching this women behavior. Did you listen to the way she talked about her deceased daughter on national TV in court? She showed complete contempt for her. She has not given Anna one bit of respect, not even in death, she continues to disgrace her daughter.
IMO all she would have to do is stop this pursuit of DL, and stop talking bad about her daughter.
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I have worked with prisoners and have worked in ddrug clinic. Almost everyone that gets in trouble blames it on there mom and dad and the way they were raised. As we get older and adults we are responsible for what we do. We have the smarts as 20 or older to know the difference between bad and good. Some people are just addictive and need to get help. There are millions of people that was raised in terrible homes and I know some and they are responsible people.
Beverly, I repeat: Anna’s childhood did not kill her, drugs did. If I were to extend your ‘logic’ outside of this case, then all drug and alcohol related deaths would be caused by bad childhoods. For that matter, all suicides, and all deaths caused by smoking, and people who did not take care of themselves, would be the fault of poor parenting. Bunk.
Anna was 39 years old. Did she have a crappy childhood? Yes, it seems she did. So did I. SO did many people. And YES, it leaves an impression, and YES, there are after-effects, and YES, I think Anna would have-could have been a more stable, happier person if her childhood had been different, BUT
VA is not responsible for Anna’s death, or the choices Anna made as a nearly 40 year old woman.
VA was a product of her upbringing, too, as we all are to some degree. However, decades removed from childhood, we all have options, and Anna had more than most since she had plenty of money to seek treatment and work on her issues. She chose not to.
dolittle, i wish it were that simple. Why don’t you believe these ppl you talk about who get into trouble and speak about their childhood? Maybe they are reaching out for help.
I don’t have the answers to all these problems I just know they exist and the sooner, as a society we realize it, maybe the sooner it can change for a better society
An yes VA was a product of her childhood I always believed something happened to her but it does not change any thing because she did not break the chain of abuse, she lived in denial.
Anna swam in Marshall’s pool.
Guess ‘The Aunt’ was watching her, too.
Yes addicts are adults but they are wounded adults who need help, have no coping skill and do have to learn to take responsibility unfortunately some do not including VA
Yes Anna did lie a lot but that is a symptom of what happened to her
You would really have to do a study on the human spirit to get all of this and I could not do it on this board the only thing I can say is do what we all know we should do
Take care of one another
I would be in church splashing myself with HOLYWATER,
Beverly
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Please don’t it will burn!
Seriously,
If someone knows this Beverly person, you should see about getting her the proper help that she needs.
That level of anger and hatred are not good for anyone. Sounds like a person with deep-seated “mommy issues”.
Perhaps a phone call or a nice email would suffice to calm her down until help arrives.
here we go again,
getting no where fast
post going in spam
posters talking nasty
should have known better
and I was not talking about Bev, I do not read hate in her post
but you know what you might read frustration in mine to much hate in this world
I haven’t had to fill out a 1040 in quite a few years…
Yet I remember that ‘box’ where you could ‘check’ if you wanted to donate a dollar.
Maybe we should just have a ‘box’ to check to elect our next president?
VIVIAN Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
I think we have to remember that Vergie threw Anna away. Sent her to her aunt’s. How was someone else supposed to handle Anna if her mother could not.
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Her mother did not live with her, Howard did.
You have a flair for the dramatics…”threw” Anna away!
She was an out of control teenager that would not listen to her mother. Drinking, doing drugs, skipping school, not coming home all night, mouthing off, stripping etc. At least her mom sent her to live with an aunt and didn’t just plain old boot her ass out with nowhere to go. She could have had her in juvenile detention, placed in foster care or put in a boarding school. What other options were there back then? Have you talked to Vergie? Have you asked her what happened?
I am not saying Vergie is a perfect parent but come on. She very well might have used corporal punishment as alot of parents did back then! IF the story that she handcuffed her to her bed is true could her mother have done it to keep her from going out and stripping or God knows what else? Wrong to do but a desperate parent, unfortunately, makes bad decisions. We see it all the time. Maybe she was a rotten mother as you think but maybe also she regrets what happened and the way she handled things.
Then again, maybe she wasn’t as bad as you all have made her look.
For the record I do believe that Anna could have been sexually abused by a male relative but it does not mean her mother is responsible for it. You don’t know the facts and are just assuming.
Anna was a chronic liar, by your own admission. She lied about where she came from, making it sound like she grew up dirt poor.
She lied about Larry being the father. Look at the extremes they took it to? For some reason though you can’t fathom that she would be telling a single lie about her mother or her childhood?
She made it sound like she had no contact with her mother after she left home , which is a lie. She had regular contact with her after leaving home and after going to California. She had regular contact with her after the old man Marshall died.
If her mom was so bad why would she let such an “abusive” woman keep her son for 6 years??
I think her mother was shut out of her life because she told Anna to clean up and get off the drugs.
Howard didn’t try to help her because he knew he would have been kicked to the curb like Anna did to her own family and he would lose his meal ticket.
You can’t be that naive, can you?
How many men do you know that would put up with the sh!t and abuse that Anna dished out when they weren’t even in a relationship? She treated Howard like a piece of sh!t.
He put up with it for the money.
I am still hoping things will turn out positive for Virgie.Larry looks high in pictures especially one with his nephew if that is his relative! I will stay with this story as have been from the start and I see Howard has not changed different clothes still a liar wearing them.
I hope things turn positive for VA too it will be better for all of them.
All she needs to do is take her place as grand mom
As far as Larry goes he is entitled to have some adult fun
I saw him on Greta and Larry King, ET..he and DL look very happy together why can’t she let them be and try to help him with the little girl Instead of hounding them
it is a sickening sight to see her behave in such a disrespectful manner.
This does at least take my mind off the war in the Middle East.
Darn it, it really doesn’t.
Rather, it reminds me of it.
Yet, at least when I ‘submit’ a comment here, it usually gets posted.
Ain’t it nice to know?
When yu’v got somethin’ to say…
Or, maybe it really is better to be alone?
Believe in yourself.
That story about Virgie raising Danny until he was six is bullshi!.
Anna lived with Virgie, and left Danny with her mom on weekends while she was a stripper. That hardly means Virgie “raised” him. She was just doing what Grandma’s often do!
When Vickie met Marshall, and when she started with Guess, she left Danny with Virgie when she was out of town, but that was NOT for a full month ever, let alone six years.
Spin, spin, spin.
And I happen to agree that Virgie cannot be blamed for Anna’s adult choices, and thanks, but I don’t need the lecture on the effects of childhood abuse. I lived it. And like IANS said, after time has passed, all adults are responsible for their own choices.
You think Anna broke the cycle? Are you kidding? She loved Daniel, but she wasn’t perfect. She was a terrible role model, and he also died of drugs. Is that her fault, or Virgie’s? And he was only 20. Anna had 20 years longer than he did to learn, grow, and decide.
**Edited for cursing.
To maryst,Thank you I have finally find a person that understands,YES FRUSTRATION,AND DEEP HURT FOR ANNA,why? did virgie choose not to pick up the phone when Anna called,she wanted to talk to her mother,not a machine,why? did she not take the first plane,break the door down if she had to,put her arms around her daughter,and confort her,just maybe anna would be here today,all this love after the fact,is making me ill. i also cannot get over the hurt she has done to larry,virgie has been just as mean to her granddaughter,s father,he also is a young,new father,having to handle a baby,she has tormrnted ,and jumped on him.she could not take the time,to be part of dannielynn,s life without demanding partical custody,and control of her money,did this right away,larry was a proud father,and virgie,stomped on him.again I WILL SAY,IN THE TAPE THE JUDGE HAS FOR VIRGIE,S CASE ,ANNA SAID (i cryed for you)meaning I NEEDED YOU MA,WHY DID YOU HAVE TO GO ON TV AND SAY WHAT YOU SAID.
Syn Says:
January 13th, 2008 at 3:55 am
That story about Virgie raising Danny until he was six is bullshi!.
Anna lived with Virgie, and left Danny with her mom on weekends while she was a stripper. That hardly means Virgie “raised” him. She was just doing what Grandma’s often do!
When Vickie met Marshall, and when she started with Guess, she left Danny with Virgie when she was out of town, but that was NOT for a full month ever, let alone six years.
And I happen to agree that Virgie cannot be blamed for Anna’s adult choices, and thanks, but I don’t need the lecture on the effects of childhood abuse. I lived it.
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Syn….was my post directed to you? I believe it was a response to Vivian.
So if you don’t like my lecture scroll on by.
I noticed you like to lecture too. But whatever.
Sorry didn’t know that you KNEW Anna and Vergie personally and were privy to all this “inside info”.
Maybe you should state that at the beginning of your post if it’s true!
Whether it be weekends or full time does not disprove my point that if Vergie was the “abusive” woman Anna claimed she wouldn’t have left her son with him!
And if you think you have the market cornered on being abused, think again. I’m sure the majority of women posting on this topic have experienced at least one form of it.
**Edited for cursing.
Sadly ANS only lived life for herself whilst “belittling” anyone who disagreed with her {or didn’t “get” her drugs!}. ANS “watched her son die” {If she had taken an interest in his life he may still be alive today!}. IMO ANS caused the death of Daniel AND CAUSED HER OWN DEATH….BUT!!!!…she enlisted the help of HK$ to make sure that she had the drugs…fuelled by HK$ she genuinely thought that she would inherit from the Marshall Estate…this “over-boobed” bimbo let HK$ rule her very very sad life!!! ANS DESTROYED HER LIFE BY TAKING DRUGS…HK$ is trying to get money???…UGH!!! I FIND THEM BOTH DESPICABLE!!!
Actually, Things, the part about the lecture was directed towards Beverly and Maryst, who insist that VA played a role in Anna’s death.
Sorry to have offended, not my intent. I just get tired of the spin, from both sides.
The reason I know about the circumstances of Daniel’s young life is because I’ve read every interview and piece of material available about Anna.
I do not believe Stern killed Anna, and I do not believe VA should be held responsible either. Anna made her own decisions.
But also, Things, I left my kids with my mother, and she abused me.
However, by the time I had them, she was older and a different person. She wanted and loved her grandkids….something she didn’t experience when she had her own. She was a terrible mom, but a very good grandma.
People change over the years & with the circumstances.
Syn Says:
January 13th, 2008 at 5:28 am
Actually, Things, the part about the lecture was directed towards Beverly and Maryst, who insist that VA played a role in Anna’s death.
Sorry to have offended, not my intent. I just get tired of the spin, from both sides.
The reason I know about the circumstances of Daniel’s young life is because I’ve read every interview and piece of material available about Anna.
I do not believe Stern killed Anna, and I do not believe VA should be held responsible either. Anna made her own decisions.
Syn Says:
January 13th, 2008 at 5:30 am
But also, Things, I left my kids with my mother, and she abused me.
However, by the time I had them, she was older and a different person. She wanted and loved her grandkids….something she didn’t experience when she had her own. She was a terrible mom, but a very good grandma.
People change over the years & with the circumstances.
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Syn,
Thanks for apologizing and sorry for thinking you were talking to me.
I totally agree with you about the spin.
I also thought I had read and seen it all but if you have any links about the abuse or about Anna leaving Daniel with Vergie only on weekends I would be open to checking them out. I haven’t seen anything to date that had any facts, verified ones. lol
My point was to not believe everything you read or not to take what Anna and Howard say as gospel as we have seen them do quite a bit of lying.
As for your second post that was exactly what I was trying to say and you said it perfectly.
So we agree and disagree…but hey that’s cool. lol
Syn, are you and Jennydogooder the same poster?
I wish I had saved everything I read, Things, but I didn’t think about doing that. Of course I also never thought I’d still be talking about this eleven months later!
I agree with you about A&H both not being truthful, and I believe the claims that they made about DL were intentionally false. Larry did, as I remember, have proof that he went with A. to ultrasounds and dr’s visits. Then something happened between them (a fight over sunglasses?) and it was Ben Thompson, the Bahamas, Horizons……and then when Larry got Opri and vowed to fight, it was Howard to rescue.
I know people judge him harshly, as they do everyone in this story, but I think of things I’ve done for my friends and I can understand, at least, why he did that. I do think he loved Anna, even if I also have the opinion that there were things he could have done differently to save her.
As for VA, I have to say that the more I learn, the more I think she was totally used by O’Quinn.
Just my opinion, but it seems to me he’s done more harm than good, especially on that Nancy Grace show.
I really don’t think DL will inherit any part of the Marshall estate, based on what outside legal experts are saying. http://www.law.com/traffic/AnnaNicole.html
But apparently, alot of the attorneys in this, including Howard, think its a possibility.
Greed seems to have driven so much in Anna’s tragic life, and it seems like it just continues without her.
Nope anonymous.
Syn Says:
January 13th, 2008 at 6:38 am
I wish I had saved everything I read, Things, but I didn’t think about doing that. Of course I also never thought I’d still be talking about this eleven months later!
I agree with you about A&H both not being truthful, and I believe the claims that they made about DL were intentionally false. Larry did, as I remember, have proof that he went with A. to ultrasounds and dr’s visits. Then something happened between them (a fight over sunglasses?) and it was Ben Thompson, the Bahamas, Horizons……and then when Larry got Opri and vowed to fight, it was Howard to rescue.
I know people judge him harshly, as they do everyone in this story, but I think of things I’ve done for my friends and I can understand, at least, why he did that. I do think he loved Anna, even if I also have the opinion that there were things he could have done differently to save her.
As for VA, I have to say that the more I learn, the more I think she was totally used by O’Quinn.
Just my opinion, but it seems to me he’s done more harm than good, especially on that Nancy Grace show.
I really don’t think DL will inherit any part of the Marshall estate, based on what outside legal experts are saying. http://www.law.com/traffic/AnnaNicole.html
But apparently, alot of the attorneys in this, including Howard, think its a possibility.
Greed seems to have driven so much in Anna’s tragic life, and it seems like it just continues without her.
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Again we’ll have to agree to disagree 100% about Howard but I do agree with you that greed plays a big part in this whole saga. However, Vergie is the only one of the interested parties that has gone on national tv and said she wants no part of the money. It wasn’t asked of her, she offered it up on Greta, but people still say she’s out for the money.
What about Howard and Larry?
Also have to agree with you about the Nancy Grace interview…he had no right to say that. To me it’s more important to hear it from Vergie than her lawyer. If we want to hold them to what the lawyers say then Howard has some more explaining to do. I’m sure O’Quinn got set straight after because I haven’t heard him say it since. Also, that interview was done after her grandson and daughter had died and her grandaughter is with a man who we all knew was not the father and was the one with both Anna and Daniel when they died of drug overdoses. Now we also hear that he had words with Vergie after Daniel died. I would be scared as hell for my granddaughter under those circumstances.
Do you really believe the story that Howard and Larry all of a sudden came together after the DNA for purely innocent reasons or for the sake of DL? I don’t…not for a minute. I find it very odd that Larry could forgive Howard but not Virgie. Don’t you?
I agree with you too that DL isn’t going to inherit that money…not a cent…and she shouldn’t…imo
If you ever come across the links for those stories you talked about I’ll be around to read them.
Thanks :)
I quess you cannot get through to some people.The facts are in front of you and some of you still,feel sorry for Virgie.grow up,OQ did not say anything Virgie did not want him to say.Virgie had the right to act and be a grandma,DID SHE? Anna went to pieces when danniel died,not VIRGIE,when Anna and danniel died,she is out going to book signing that trash her daughter,posing for the camera,if any one of you have the tape of the florida trial,the camera went to Virgie,when ANNA,s friend was on the stand saying Anna could call her mama,because Anna wanted a mother so bad, Virgie,s look was, who cares,take a second look at virgie going into Danniel,s inquest,the woman who wants justice,she is all smiles,smiling big for the camera,AT THE DEATH HEARING FOR HER GRANDSON,SHE IS SMILING.and most important,WHY,if Howard is what you say he is do harm to his mealticket.or danniel,in a hospital.there was plenty of places and plenty of time,WHY would he harm danniel in a hospital,where he would be prime suspect.PEOPLE USE COMMON SENSE,ALSO IF VIRGIE DID NOT LIKE WHAT OQ SAID ON TV WHY? DID SHE NOT FIRE HIM?
I can see WHY Larry forgave HOWARD,AND NOT VIRGIE,they are two adults,that have to work together for dannielynn .howard was not the father so be it get on with life,also,Virgie has called larry gay,she has pi after him,and also larry has a family,and not one asked for partical custody and charge of the childs money,VIRGIE DID NOT GIVE lARRY A MONTH WITH HIS CHILD,TO BE A FATHER,SUCH GREED If she had waited a year and said something,but let father and daughter be together,not virgie,she had no love for Anna,so how could she show love for dannielynn.larry was all for virgie,till OQ gets on tv and said Larry will be allowed to visit his daughter weekends and virgie wants custody.i hope all you that love virgie so much think when you first became a mother,would you like your inlaws to say to you,i will take the child you can visit
I’m scared now
Beverly and Maryst have an “understanding”
We should all be very afraid.
There are going to be a lot more CAPS and rants to scroll through.
I would say that those so full of hate and venom towards Mrs. Arthur a woman they never met and that they do not know should take a moment to research this well-known trait.
Thank you
[projection] – unconsciously projecting one’s own unacceptable feelings onto other people, so that one doesn’t have to own them
Well reader,i could have made a bet one with low IQ would make that statement,so to you get ready.you cannot handle the truth,I am making a statement of fact.everything I said is fact,i will not let anyone with such low iq tell me what i can write,do not like it DO NOT READ IT,
this is what bully’s always do when you start using words, they twist them and start to attack you and accuse you of what they are doing. Learned it a long time ago when I was married to an abusive man, always accusing me of what he was doing. When he couldn’t win with words, which was almost all the time,he became a bully.
Syn actually was not lecturing any one simply posting my opinion much like you do
Syn you post
People change over the years & with the circumstances.
Here we agree, I do believe ppl can change I also know some don’t. It is my point about a parent who understands their mistakes and learns and one who acts like they did nothing wrong. I know the human spirit can heal but I also think it helps the child of an abusive parent to say they were wrong, it makes all the difference. These kids who don’t get that take a lot longer to heal, Anna never got there.
reader, you are twisting my words, no hate for VA, don’t know her well enough
My opinions are formed by VA own actions, have done the research
if you want to call it hate, your propagative and perspective or is it projection
IMO they are conclusions based on facts
edit propagative to prerogative
don’t want to give you something to jump all over me about
judas, what is your point? we are talking about VA and DL and the way she will not act like grand mom
What does Howard have to do with any of this or are you defending
VA in her ridiculous law suit
some of you points are not facts and yes Howard spent a lot of time with Anna the past 12 years and VA did not we all know that
when ppl start talking about the way Howard did not make his living, it comes off as sexist.
imo he did make his living he handled all of Anna’s contracts, Larry needs him because of it.
It also comes off as resentful.
Maryst, Please Wake UP!
Howard is not a saint and you know it.You hae no first hand knowledge of Anna’s life or her childhood. I know that drug addicts lie, that is a FACT
Enough of the attacks on Vergie, give it a rest.
judas you wake up, never claimed any of the players are saints
this is a discussion not and attack, your perception, not mind
or as reader astutely pointed out projection, think a lot of this fits the word
we all know addict lie, you are missing the point aren’t you
Reader Says:
January 13th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
I’m scared now
Beverly and Maryst have an “understanding”
We should all be very afraid.
There are going to be a lot more CAPS and rants to scroll through.
HOPE YOU DO SCROLL BY ME IF YOU CAN NOT TALK ABOUT ME WITH RESPECT, WOULD BE NICE.
Maryst….you need to go to the Hate Virgie Thread…
Anna,had problems with breast implants,she had a great deal of pain. Virgie was never there for Anna dead or alive.Howard had a job,wheather you like to admitt it or not,it is not for you to say,howard found Anna JOBS, you already know that,but it pleases you to say different As far as Virgie,s job,she is lucky she had one,having a loaded gun ready to go off at any time in her purse,maybe that is fine work in texas,butnot here.Howard was in the room when danniel died,and anyone with a IQ of over O would realize,he would not put himself in the position if he was going to do away with danniel,virgie contacted splash when anna died.when howard wins over OQ RITA AND VIRGIE HE WILL PAY TAX You did not yourself see howard give anna drugs,so you cannot make that statement Taking Anna to Betty Ford one ,time does not a mother make and I will always see virgie standing in front of rita,s book,and saying how much she liked the book.anna was on drugs before howard came into the picture,how come supper cop could not take care of her.
Maryst You Are Off Topic! Says:
How do you figure I am off topic?
BTW I know I will not get an answer
you are just mad because I am making to much sense so you keep accusing me of what I am not, a hater
This is on topic,virgie,s court case against howard is because she claims howard ruined her status in texas with that tape. she enjoyed a good reputation before the tape,well truth as you all say has to come out.her own son was injured in the head,and that is good police work.she should have been suspened.for careless use of a firearm.no one said howard was a saint,but he is also not a enabler or murderer,or anything else.and if virgie,AS A POLICE OFFICER COULD NOT HELP HER DAUGHTER,WHY BLAME HOWARD I QUESS IT IS EASY TO BLAME SOMEONE ELSE FOR YOUR FAULTS.Virgie could go right on as super cop.that is all she cared about anyway.you are tired of virgie getting bashing I AM TIRED OF HOWARD BASHING,and the more you bash at me i mpre i will have to say
In all fairness, as someone who does not support Vergie, she was working at a 24hr, 7-11 or something like that, when she was carried the gun.in her purse. She carried it for protection, i for got if that was before or after her stint as a deputy .but that does not make it ok. she should have known better.
Bashing helps no one. Facts do, and links. Opinions are great, as long as they are sane ones,if i see something on here i do not agree with I go for my links and articles from the court hearings. hoping i can find what i need. yesterdy i searched all day and did not find what i wanted, so here goes today ,
actually, maryst is a member of roses blog. she comes here to start trouble, Rose won’t stand for it on her site. IT is all about love , and adoring there. But she does not mind if they come on here, Aything to stir the pot on QV’s is alright with her, She told her members to stay away from tmz, so why not here too??. and for what ever it is worth, Maryst will amswer anyone as long as you answer her. she loves the attention then goes to her Home Blog, with her [ duh ]friends, the ones who chased her from this blog in the first place.and they all have a good laugh . so She is not worth the time or patience it takes to even acknowledge her.
there are 89 post on here, 29 or 30 belonging to Maryst. she LOVES the attention
Vivian you got that right!
maryst says:
HOPE YOU DO SCROLL BY ME IF YOU CAN NOT TALK ABOUT ME WITH RESPECT, WOULD BE NICE.
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MARYST FROM ANOTHER SITE
Kimmie, I did not read you being called a bit*h but I have been engaging over there. I do not understand why this perception we all turned on her. I remember her threating me and I know she allowed all those threats the other day to me. I want to get this out in the open but I am almost sure I will be blocked because that is what happen to me on that site and J when I tried to write truth about what they were doing. All this talk about her being betrayed, how about the way she betrayed so many of us. The way they turned on our support group is something I will never forget. I have been upset about this for many months. She had a responsibility to us and the way I see it now she is trying to turn it around and blame everyone else when in fact it was her. It was always her and it still is her, no matter how many names she uses, how she tries to use other identities (been doing that since almost the beginning) I can see though this.
While I do appreciate what she did for us so many months ago I also feel she owes us an apology. I will do my best to show her and pray she stops with these attacks on others.
Her endeavors were never about her or J they were about a group of ppl who felt compelled to support a family who needed us and that is what we were there for. If she used us I want that to show and let God deal with it.
Mary S.
Comment by maryst — January 12, 2008 @ 8:57 pm
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Maryst, Someone sent me the above.
Yes it would be nice to be treated with respect but it seems by your own posting that you can not do the same. So its really absurd for you to expect someone else to.
I already answered this stuff. I told you that I DO NOT FEEL THAT THE FORMER MEMBERS OF THIS SITE BETRAYED ME. DO NOT!!! They came to the site for Howard. Not me!!!
I stated that there were a FEW that I thought of as PERSONAL friends that have betrayed our friendship in favor of this Howard thing. So be it.
As soon as I was made aware of the “kill” word used in a post to you, I deleted them and apologized to you and deleted those postS. You can refuse to accept my apology but do not say that I allowed them. I can not watch this board 24/7. I do have a life other than this board.
And if you want to call what I said to you on Jane’s board months ago a threat, you go right ahead when indeed, it was you that was threatening Jane and I told you to stop. I still have YOUR threatening comments. Want me to post them?
And why do I owe you an apology for hurting YOUR support group?
If I am not mistaken, I created this site, paid for it with my own money. I invested many many hours of my time to create and manage it and where I go with it is where the truth is.
YOUR support group moved over to Rose and Art Harris. Just like the Sterns wanted it to and just like Rose wanted it to. Its still there for you with site owners who support him.
Furthermore, you talk about attacks on others? Where this post came from is a group of attackers that no one has said anything against and you are right there with them. That is where you belong so why don’t you just stay there. If they keep it up, they will be dealt with in the proper time and proper manner.
And pray tell what did I use you for? If not for my efforts, support for HKS may not what it is today. If anyone was used, it was me.
to vivian,i understand she worked at a 7-11 but as a police officer,she should have known about a safty on a gun,that gun could have gone off in the store killing a customer.i do not know why she was not charged with reckless use of a gun.you see,i believe a eye for a eye,virgie and friends think it is fine to destroy howard and larry life ,but leave hers alone,SORRY DO UNTO OTHERS.
beverly, i totaly agree with you,she should have known better. maybe she had and IN with the police,i certainly do not give her an excuse.
Revolvers do not have a safty.
i would think that updating the will would have been more in Howards, favor, because his name was on Dannie’s certificate,There was how many days between Daniel’s death, and Anna’s death??. Not many, I doubt anyone was thinking about changing a will at that time. Anna did not know she was going to die. I am sure she did;nt even give the will a thought. She was devastated, and how cold it would have been for Howard to bring the will up at that time. wow, he would really be under fire, if he had urged her to change it then. I just have to stick with the facts as they are brought forward, good or bad I will deal with them. I have served on jurys numerous times., but only one murder trial, and they are not a fun thing. WE are talking about a mans life, not about who gets Dannie’s money.
maybe she had and IN with the police,i certainly do not give her an excuse.
The incident was ruled an accident.So there was no need to have an “in” with the police.
MARYST SAYS,She had a responsibility to us and the way I see ??????? WHY ,What did she owe you , or anyone else?? QV gave so much time and energy to you, and all of us, What did we give her back?? what did she benefit from letting you all trash her?? what did she benefit, from paying for many things from her own pocket to make this blog, a nice one???? She is now letting any side of the story come out in the open, What is every one afraid of?? Afraid of what they may hear?? what’s done is done, and you or your SUPPORT GROUP that at one time drove you from this site, can do nothing about it, as neither can the rest of us. Howard made a lot of mistakes, in Anna’s name, for her, and now he has to deal with them, but i doubt if he ever thought this day would come. HE did not want ANNA to die ,nor Daniel.
my revolver has a safety, so does my b b gun and my shot gun ,
beverly Says:
January 13th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Anna,had problems with breast implants,she had a great deal of pain. Virgie was never there for Anna dead or alive.Howard had a job,wheather you like to admitt it or not,it is not for you to say,howard found Anna JOBS, you already know that,but it pleases you to say different As far as Virgie,s job,she is lucky she had one,having a loaded gun ready to go off at any time in her purse,maybe that is fine work in texas,butnot here.Howard was in the room when danniel died,and anyone with a IQ of over O would realize,he would not put himself in the position if he was going to do away with danniel,virgie contacted splash when anna died.when howard wins over OQ RITA AND VIRGIE HE WILL PAY TAX You did not yourself see howard give anna drugs,so you cannot make that statement Taking Anna to Betty Ford one ,time does not a mother make and I will always see virgie standing in front of rita,s book,and saying how much she liked the book.anna was on drugs before howard came into the picture,how come supper cop could not take care of her.
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Beverly,
Please, if she had that much pain from implants then she would have removed them!!!
You are the biggest hypocrite…
You say and I quote, “You did not yourself see howard give anna drugs,so you cannot make that statement”
Back at ya Beverly…you didn’t “see” any of the things you accuse Vergie of so YOU cannot make any statement!
You should be able to grasp that with your HIGH IQ. lol
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