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Mr. Art Harris. A Modern Day Lord Haw-Haw

by Einstein and Kerry on 01/04/2008

in Anna Nicole Smith, Art Harris, Bald Truth, Howard K Stern, Uncategorized

* Since our last guest column was so well received, it’s my pleasure to be able to present an even more interesting and controversial article from Kerry and Einstein. The comments of guest authors do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the site or its owners. Thank you. ~QV~

Mr. Art Harris A Modern Day Lord Haw-Haw

“The task of propaganda, Hitler argued, was to bring certain subjects to the attention of the masses. Propaganda should be simple, concentrating on a few essentials, which then had to be repeated many times, with emphasis on such emotional elements as love and hatred. Through the continuity and uniformity of its application, propaganda, Hitler concluded, would lead to results “that are almost beyond our understanding.” (http://science.jrank.org/pages/8004/Propaganda.html)

I hate to invoke Godwin’s Law so early, but seeing as Mr. Harris had no such reservations when he responded to one of his readers with the following,

“That’s why you’ve been recruited and brainwashed, and sent into the digital domain to brainwash others, create the illusion of a grassroots stampede. It actually worked in Germany once, but that was then, and this is now.”

Why not begin this exercise in the true spirit of the much vaunted Art Harris journalistic tradition?

A recent visit to the Internet site “The Bald Truth” by Mr. Art Harris revealed the following responses written by Mr. Harris to two comments by readers of his site.

RESPONSE # 1

Leon? Or is it Wilma?

Afraid to use your real name like your friends, pal?

Hiding behind a new fake moniker, as usual?

Still writing on the bathroom stall?

This is all so…high school… and you’re about to go to the principal’s office, or juvenile.

Come out, come out, wherever you are.

Coward.

We’re on to you…spinning hate, telling lies…the only one you’re fooling is yourself.

I’m not hiding, so why are you?

You don’t know … what you think you know…

But I do.

I know you can’t wait to see what was in Wilma’s trash…

When does the truth hurt?

Happy New Year.

Art

RESPONSE # 2

Hey, Leon, or is it Wilma?

No, you only think you know.

I don’t discuss sources, and because of people like the mafia and Big Bidness, journalists are protected by state shield laws, and whistleblowers are protected by federal law. Ever heard of Sarbanes Oxley? Look it up.

Understand the terms, obstruction of justice? Witness tampering?

Everyday people who witness egregious things and want to do the right thing by coming forward are often intimidated and threatened into silence.

Not in this case. We have your number, and your people may have to get more creative now that the judge has your MO.

Oh, in case you were busying having your diaper changed, that’s why he issued the first order, against messing with witnesses, horrified after reading the transcript of Rita’s secretly taped audio in the Bahamas, chasing nannies for affidavits, checkbook in hand.

The Judge wants witnesses protected from being leaned on, whether on the web, phone calls, dead fish on windshields, money, promises of magazine spreads, whatever may be tried.

“Wait, Lincoln,” Rita Cosby was heard imploring the Nannies PR man, Lincoln Bain, after he caught her taping him while his tape was rolling. “You haven’t heard what we’re prepared to offer you.”

Say what?

Yep, caught on tape, too.

So, give it up, Leon, or Wilma, or Ego Buster, or Justice4 Daniel…

Why not stop fighting the truth, pass the Koolaid antidote to your friends, and let those so moved to do the right thing, come forward.

The judge has yet to hear the rest of the story, but he will soon.

Art

These responses were written by a gentleman who claims to be a “journalist”. Incredible I know, and if he didn’t taken himself so seriously one could almost believe that Mr. Harris was simply engaging in a parody of “real journalism”, something akin to an ironic “Saturday Night Live Skit” with “Baghdad Bob” playing the role of the “journalist”. Some folks might find this type of self-parody funny (I admit upfront that I don’t find him the least bit amusing) in an “it makes me a little queasy to my stomach” kind of way.

Since the date and time stamp indicate that these were written on New Year’s Eve or shortly there after, I at first assumed that Mr. Harris, after a night of revelry decided that it would be constructive to post responses before toddling off to bed to sleep it off.

Unfortunately after going back to previous responses penned by Mr. Harris one would have to conclude that he always responds while stupefied by some mind-altering substance. Now I have no first hand knowledge that Mr. Harris sits maybe with his mind numbed by pain meds at his computer late at night slinging verbal excrement at his readers, so perhaps there is another explanation for this seemingly peculiar behavior.

It may be old-fashioned on my part (we are called biddies, after all) but I was raised and educated during the “Post Watergate” period. I was taught that there is a concurrent moral responsibility when you refer to yourself as a journalist and use your journalistic skills to communicate a message to an audience. Mr. Harris obviously eschews such moral responsibility and simply believes that he should print any nonsense that his “source” (let’s just call this “source” Howard K. Stern for the sake of argument) tells him in order to maintain his close, intimate relationship. (No “gay” reference intended) We’ll assume he does this in order to keep obtaining the “exculsive” inside information or in journalistic parlance, the “big scoop”. Perhaps I am a being too “hard” on Mr. Harris’ journalistic ethics. Heck, it’s not as if his false reporting of information from “inside sources” that he never bothers to verify, (wouldn’t want the truth to get in the way of the scoop, now would we?) resulted in a war being waged on foreign soil and young men and women coming home in body bags. Nope, that accomplishment was left up to other even more respectable journalists.

Should anyone have any remaining doubt about the collusion between Howard K. Stern and Art Harris, I would like to take this opportunity and remind you of the recent “Leon’s Desktop debacle.” It was this little booboo that incurred the wrath of Mr. Harris on New Year’s Eve. This happened when Team Stern’s motion was published on Art Harris’ site with the words “documents/desktop/Leon/Stern. Now Art had that taken down as fast as his little feet could move but it was too late. So, what does Art do, why he just calls the person who points it out to him a “diaper wearer”.

Perhaps Mr. Harris has simply lost his way over the recent months and has somehow wandered ingenuously from the field of “journalism” and into the field of “propaganda”. It would seem that this is an easy enough mistake when a “writer” becomes too invested in the outcome of the story that he or she is covering. History’s rubbish heap is replete with the remains of talented men and women who, for whatever reason(s), traveled this twisted fork in the road of journalistic integrity. Mr. Harris suggests that his reader(s) look up Sarbanes Oxley, fair enough.

While his readers google this name, I would suggest that Mr. Harris google the following names: Francis Stuart, Jean Hérold-Paquis, Tokyo Rose, Axis Sally, Mother Night, Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf, Wolf Mitler, Norman Baillie-Stewart, Eduard Dietze, William Joyce, Mildred Gillars, Hanoi Hannah, Seoul City Sue, Azzam the American, Jihad Johnny, Stuttgart traitor. Now I know that this appears to be an inordinate amount of research to assign Mr. Harris so near the beginning of the New Year (and obviously Mr. Harris does not like to research facts before he puts pen to paper or fingers to keyboard), but perhaps this would be a wonderful Resolution for Mr. Harris to adopt in 2008: I promise to research facts before I print them.

Or something along those lines. After all it’s not the wording of the resolution that counts in the end, but the implementation that matters most. One wouldn’t want to overburden Mr. Harris with homework, especially after celebratory nights of merry-making and ringing in the new. Although he did misrepresent his presence at the O’Quinn Law Firm’s Holiday Celebration, I would hope that someone invited him somewhere to celebrate something during the past holiday season. So in the spirit of giving, let’s provide Mr. Harris with a few common definitions of words that he may find useful as he attempts to honor this resolution while having his “diaper changed”.

Journalism The occupation of reporting, writing, editing, photographing, or broadcasting news or of conducting any news organization as a business.

Writing that reflects superficial thought and research, a popular slant, and hurried composition, conceived of as exemplifying topical newspaper or popular magazine writing as distinguished from scholarly writing (See Art, all is not lost)

Apologist A person who argues in defense or justification of something

Propagandist of relating to or characterized by propaganda.
A person who disseminates messages calculated to assist some cause or some government

Mr. Harris, while trying to undermine Ms. Cosby’s right to protect her sources (another word that Mr. Harris may want to google is Hypocrite) states that,

“journalists are protected by state shield laws”.

So while Mr. Harris has written countless articles excoriating Rita Cosby and leaking sealed information to expose her “sources” he hides behind the state shield laws, and then calls other people cowards.

Which is why it is important for the “unwashed masses” (that’s us folks) to recognize the difference between journalism and propaganda. While a journalist does indeed have the protection of the State, a propagandist should have no such immunity; not from the laws of the state, the practices of common decency, the judgment of society or the perspective of history.

“Journalistic theory generally holds that news items should be objective, giving the reader an accurate background and analysis of the subject at hand. While Propaganda can be defined as the deliberate attempt to influence public opinion through the transmission of ideas and values for reasons consciously thought out, and designed to serve the interest of the propagandist, either directly or indirectly.” (http://science.jrank.org/pages/10872/Propaganda-Defining-Propaganda.html)

In the case of Mr. Harris and his recent Jihad against anything Not Stern (see how easy it is in the post 9/11 world to throw those little terrorist word bombs out there), I would proffer an even more narrowly defined explanation of Propaganda as being…

“…deliberately false or misleading information…. The propagandist seeks to change the way people understand an issue or situation for the purpose of changing their actions and expectations in ways that are desirable to the interest group. Propaganda, in this sense, serves as a corollary to censorship in which the same purpose is achieved… What sets propaganda apart from other forms of advocacy is the willingness of the propagandist to change people’s understanding through deception and confusion rather than persuasion and understanding.” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propagandist)

So what is Mr. Harris’ desired goals, besides prancing around on a stage designed by him and stacked with an audience that responds to “please applaud now” signs every time he steps out from behind the curtain? Well, I certainly hope that it isn’t anything so mundane as money, or a book deal, or being able to pretend to be King for a day, not Larry King (well maybe) because that would really be a shock……………….to faithful canines everywhere..dogs adore their masters!

Well as one of Mr. Harris’ faithful followers wrote, “Thanks Art, for feeding our addiction to this story – yes I was “jonesing” for a fix”. And feed the addiction he does, gleefully without hesitation. (Hey would that be a form of “enabling”?) The saddest part of this whole sordid bastardization of journalism is that Mr. Harris is not even very good at his current occupational choice. He relies on his crop of fawning followers to stroke his ego on a daily basis as they constantly remind him of just how “great” he really is and repeatedly thank him for his fantastic investigative skills (gag me with a spoon as my teenage daughter likes to say). I can almost hear him purring as he reads comments like, “Art,
You are the Man! (Well next to Howard, haha).”

His fan base is limited to those gushing groupies and members of the S&M bondage brigade that were directed to his site by their leader at the – ah-hum… other blog. Now I don’t know about the rest of you and hey I am all for “alternative lifestyles” between consenting adults, but I don’t believe I would choose a known purveyor of pornography to be my official “legal liaison”.

Frances Cornford once wrote that “PROPAGANDA is that branch of the art of lying which consists in nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies.” I often wonder who is deceiving who over there in Bald Truth Land. Does Mr. Harris actually believe the ridiculous nonsense that he spews? I have actually seen numerous posts by these lovely ladies that state something along the lines of, “I’ll wait to see what Art has to say about this before I decide.” WOW! I would hate for any of Art’s harem to actually hold an independent point of view without prior approval of the Minister of Propaganda. Are there consequences to dissent in Bald Truth country?

What do you think about Michel Bryant from Court TV. Is he pretty reputable???? Will he speak the truth???

Come on Oh Great Wizard please tell us who to believe. It might be enlightening to some to know that Art didn’t bother to answer this question. Because in “Bald Truth” land, Art and only Art can be believed, well except Howard (‘cause he never, ever lies).

Even those of us who don’t profess to be “journalist”, can none-the-less be aware of the lessons of history and the famous quote by Joseph Goebbles,

“A lie repeated a thousand times becomes a truth.”

So the reasoning would go as follows: If I repeat a thousand times that the infamous “clown video” that Howard took of Anna Nicole Smith eight months pregnant and obviously under the influence of drugs was merely edited by some “nefarious gang” to misrepresent the poor, beleaguered Mr. Stern – then regardless of the existence of the actual tape in it’s entirety (which I haven’t seen, but credible journalist have reviewed and stand by the description) then suddenly that becomes “TRUTH” not “THE BALD TRUTH” but MY TRUTH. So, Mr. Harris then substitutes his version of truth with the real truth, (you know like the actual tape itself, all 40 some minutes of it). This technique is called “Argumentum ad nauseam” and Art seems to like it a lot. I guess this comment by one of Art’s frequent guests sums it up better than I ever could.

“By the way, I never listened all the “expert anlysts” (unlike my spouse) regarding the tape: I simply *knew* that Anna was *Clowning Around*. How, some may wonder, would I have known that? Duh, how about… I saw the Clown Make-Up on her face”!

According to the rules of Mr. Harris’ and his followers it appears that the TRUTH is irrelevant if it does not conform to their version of reality. If they are presented with anything so messy as “facts” then Mr. Harris and his “Harris Heads” do what all good little propagandists do, they demonize their perceived enemy. A few examples will suffice.

“But Howard, you should let’s us know cause it’s a pleasure to see all these lowlife going down!”

“Not sordid in the usual sense of the word, but for the stench emanating from a Texas factory of farce as JN’s Team Stupid (Art Harris).”

“SO…when are the conspiring maggots going to be arrested for their dirty little scheme? ex law officer or not, Virgie just seems too dumb to realize she’s up to her snout in trouble”.

“In my opinion, that man is in the same category as the Mafia. Virgie ought to be quartered!”

“HOWARD – Intelligent people, the people that matter, do NOT believe any of the tabloid lies.Virgie & her cling-ons have shown the world what she really is.”

“I am so relieved to hear that Howard has been able to piece together what that scumbag has been doing. I also understand what motivates those vicious, ugly, putrid people who post on TMZ.”

Well, you get the idea. Kind of reminds one of other hate speech groups with initials and swastikas. Now there’s an idea, maybe Harris’ Harem need to adopt some sort of graphic visual identification. I would suggest whips and chains but that may be a bit too obvious.

But nobody does this more effectively than the Master himself. This one is really good and Lord Haw-Haw would be so proud.

“beware of Kool Aid, in any flavor, especially when offered by the unwashed and brainwashed who keep trying to crash the party with blind hatred. I once did a series on terrorism, and spent time in a Gaza Strip jail, interviewing captured suicide bombers. Several explained how they’d swallowed a phony read of the Koran as demanding they carry out revenge by strapping explosives on and blowing up Israelis.”

Brought tears to my eyes when I first chanced upon this piece of perfect propaganda. It’s a beautiful thing that Art manages to do here. He insults everyone who disagrees with him, invokes religious bigotry, compares his dissenters to terrorist suicide bombers, while reminding the reader that he is an important journalist.And he accomplishes all this in fifty words or less. His Duke classmates must be so proud.

Mr. Harris, like many of his notorious predecessor (see list of names above) uses many techniques that may seem convincing but actually contain simple logical fallacies that render them invalid, but hey the means do justify the end in “BALD TRUTH” country.

I have maintained for months that the Sternoid Storm Troopers are missing the gene that detects irony when it walks up a slaps you upside your head. Art constantly refers to dissenters as being “brainwashed” and drinking the kool-aid ala Jonestown, one can presume. But I have actually read posters from his site state that they were not going to believe their eyes or ears, but instead suggest that everyone just what until the Minister of Propaganda Mr. Harris issues a decree. So until Art says it’s true, then it ain’t true. But hey don’t believe me, read what they have to say about any and all media that dares to report something different from the official party line.

“Greta, Nancy Grace, Jaimie Floyd, Katherine Crier and the group at Court TV set out on a mission to try and destroy this man and were almost triumphant. They knew O’Quinn was a drunken liar. That Shelly and Thompson were thieves and liars. The only good thing, what goes around comes around and someday, Greta, Nancy, Geraldo, Guilfoyle and the loudmouths at Court TV will all get theirs. Good luck Howard. There are lots of people who love and support you.”

“What I have yet to understand is how Greta and Geraldo figure in all this. Those two were so viciously cruel toward Howard while parading Shelley, Hattan and other liars before the cameras, while patting themselves on the back for “exposing” THE murderer. Is Fox News being manipulated by the Texas Death Squad?”

Aleksandar Macaseo recently gave an interview in which he stated,

”The power of the media is such that people often believe what they are told. That’s the power of media. You cannot see with your own eyes or experience personally every single detail about some news that you have heard or seen. In theory, you can choose to believe in it or not by using your common sense. (http://www.aiga.org/content.cfm/propagandizing-propaganda-interview-with-aleksandar-macasev)”

That quote really hit home in regards to the media coverage of this whole sad saga. So when some of us CHOOSE not to accept:

  • Mr. Harris’ Bald Truth
  • Entertainment Tonight’s Entertaining Truth
  • TMZ”s Larry Can Do No Wrong Truth

Mr. Harris and his “Team (fill in the blank)” threaten, they call us liars and they spam web sites with nonsense. And Mr. Harris is not above using a few well placed threats himself. He issues a warning to bloggers that “WE” have obtained your ISP, email and other personal information. I guess even Art decided that any pretense of “journalistic objectivity” was kind of silly or maybe he got promoted to some higher level than Minister of Propaganda in Stern-Can-Do-No-Wrong-Land. I don’t know because I am not a card carrying member of Team We-Stern, I’m just busy researching and making timelines and trying to figure out where the hell the Lorazapam and Chloral Hydrate were when the Seminole Police showed up.

In yet another one of, I am Art Harris and I have no shame posts, he writes about Rita Cosby.

“It’s not the number of sources she may have, it’s how believable they are…did she cross check facts”

This one is a real humdinger. Kind of like “me thinks he dost protest too much”, or as one Sternoid like’s to use as her moniker the “pot calling the kettle black.” Here are two statements from the God of Source Checking, Mr. Harris,

“Sources tell me your Texas bosses flew at least one blogger to the Bahamas to spin on TMZ”

“We hear one will be in the courtroom–or be getting text messages from an insider with orders to spin on TMZ and elsewhere as she did last time. Only this time our sources say anyone who doesn’t identify themselves as a reporter, and is discovered, will be ejected, or worse. A judge was not pleased to learn his orders were ignored, we hear”.

Art, this is directed straight at you buddy. Both those statements are 100% incorrect. For those Christians amongst us, that is called “bearing false witness”. So who ever your source is……………well Mr. Bald Truth, you just might want to cross check your facts. Damn, don’t you hate when that happens, but hey you go right ahead and keep excoriating Rita on your site because when you are the Minister of Propaganda the rules only apply to others and not to yourself.

One more minor detail I would like to address before I finish with Mr. Harris and his pack of bullcrap and that’s his relentless attacks on anyone who dares to go against the “We”. It doesn’t matter who you are or what you stand for, he’ll put you in his sights and fire without a moment’s hesitation. So let’s dissect the anatomy of an Art Harris Smear campaign because again, it’s a beautiful thing to take out of the box and examine up close. Those of you who abhor violence may want to turn the channel. In my un-journalistic opinion some of this seems downright personal Art, like your attacks against Don Clark.

Mr. Clark retired from the F.B.I. after serving as a Special Agent in Miami, New York, Washington D.C., Los Angeles, Newark, San Antonio and Houston. His assignments included foreign counterintelligence, counter-terrorism, violent crimes, organized crime, drugs and other FBI investigative programs. Mr. Clark received the FBI Medal for Meritorious Achievement during law enforcement action, and in July 2000 he also received the U.S. Attorney General’s highest Award for Excellence. During his time at the F.B.I. Mr. Clark was involved in a leadership role in a number of high profile cases including:

    • The 1979 Iranian Hostage Crisis where he handled the movement of the Shah of Iran from New York City to San Antonio, TX.
    • The investigation of the terrorist attack aboard the Achille Lauro cruise ship.
    • The investigation of the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center in New York City.
    • The Freeman crisis in Jordan, Montana.
    • The investigation and prosecution of the dragging death of James Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas.
    • The investigation and coordination to locate FBI’s top-10 fugitive and accused “Railcar Killer” Rafael Resendes Ramirez.

But hey Art, don’t let that stop you from trashing Mr. Clark, and why not go after every F.B.I. agent while you are at it. Because hey, he thinks Howard might not have clean hands so anything goes.

“Over the years, I’ve covered some big FBI cases and have imminent respect for the bureau, value agents as friends and even know agents who think highly of Clark. But the FBI also brought us WACO, Richard Jewel as the Atlanta Olympic Park bomber, oops, and a D.C. lab that was so shoddy over a decade ago, cases that had testing done there had to be tossed. And there are still questions about how the 9-11 hijackers fooled them all…” (Art Harris)

“I mean, we do not believe in dissing heroes, even if the feds did miss every clue leading to 9-11, and allow the hijackers to slip through their grasp, even take flight lessons right here in my Hotlanta backyard, where I found the gym they were using and was actually confirming one of the pilots had pumped iron there when an FBI agent found the address, too, and waltzed in to tell the manager he was now taking over the investigation. Break a leg, pal. . Not Don’s fault. And we’re not blaming him for Waco either.” (Art Harris)

Wow Art, I am amazed at your investigative skills. I mean did you really locate a gym where one of the hijackers went to pump iron? Who would have thunk it? You’re smarter than the F.B.I., and how dare they just waltz in there and take over your “big find”. I also like how you slipped the Jewel thing in there for Lin Wood (you know, I heard he lost that one recently). Is that something like Internet product placement? Is it a “penis” thing with you Art, because I just don’t get your constant trying to one-up Mr. Clark?

It isn’t enough to trash the F.B.I. in “hairris-envy land” – Nope . You have to try and go after his war record too. You’re the one that likes to keep making the comparison between your record and Mr. Clark’s record so let’s examine them both.

He’s got that bronze star, and all we earned in the ‘Nam era was a rocket attack in Danang, and a couple of distinguished unit citations with the 6th Fleet earlier, but at least the rockets missed” (Art Harris)

Mr. Clark served nine and a half years as a commissioned Infantry Officer in the U.S. Army, achieving the rank of Captain. His service included a combat tour of duty in South Vietnam and he was later selected by the Chief of Staff of the Army to command an Airborne/Ranger Company in the First Ranger Battalion. For his service to his country Mr. Clark received the U.S. Army Air Medal for Combat Assaults and two, not one Art but who is counting, Bronze Stars for Bravery while serving in Vietnam.

Please don’t despair Harris-Heads. Your hero also served. Here is a summary of his service to his country in his own words.

“At Duke, during ROTC drills, a few anti-Vietnam war classmates hurled tomatoes at me, and a stunning ADPi—my girlfriend!—later spurned me over our different paths, hers briefly to a commune, mine to a job as a public-affairs officer afloat with the 6th Fleet in the Mediterranean. There, as a young ensign, I gave Dan Rather his first tour of the flagship, got “early out” orders as the Vietnam War was winding down, and flew home on a KC-135 full of body bags of kids my age.” (Art Harris)

That must have been hard on a man dodging tomatoes and riding in a plane that was carrying the mortal remains of “real American heroes”. Seems like something that traumatic would scar a young man forever. Although I am sure that your military training as a public affairs officer comes in useful in your current occupation. Just in case anyone thinks that Art is testosteronally challenged, he reminds us that,

“Like many respected FBI agents, I’ve also been to war, shot at and missed, so that makes my job easy.”

And that’s the God’s honest truth because during his brief stint at CNN, Art was embedded with the 2nd Marines during the war in Iraq. I saw the photo myself and they even let Mr. Harris wear the helmet and ride along in their armored vehicle. I don’t think they gave him a gun though, and I would like to remind Mr. Harris that sometimes a “cigar” really is just a cigar.

But hey, it’s not as if Art hasn’t had equally high points in his chosen career. After all he did manage to land “a rare White House tour and interview with First Lady Laura Bush”. You’re the man, Art.

As an aside, I would like to ask Mr. Harris if he has stock in Kool-Aid since he seems intent on encouraging anyone who dissents from his opinion(s) to drink the syrupy concoction. I would hate to think that Mr. Harris is suggesting that the vast majority of society who disagree with his take on this story should deliberately kill themselves with a poisoned drink. Although given how the two people whose deaths are at the center of this controversy met their ends………………well the analogy speaks for itself, doesn’t it?

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{ 403 comments }

301 beverly January 6, 2008 at 10:15 AM

No one as yet,as come up with a answer to,what in Rita,S book has been proven,her sources claim they are not sources,leaving RITA HANGING IN THE WIND,The police have cleared Howard of any wrong doing,and danniel took drugs on his own.I also would like to know who is Britney Spears enabler,she has a mother,father friends and a former husband,why are you not after them.could it be BRITNEY HAS A MIND OF HER OWN LIKE ANNA.

302 beverly January 6, 2008 at 11:19 AM

If most of you get 60 minutes,this sunday watch it,we have a FBI agent that helped several people get killed and helped the killer escape/ SO THE LADY THAT WROTE HER HUSBAND IS A FBI AGENT,AND SHE TOOK OFFENSE,THEY ARE NOT ALL SAINTS LIKE YOUR HUSBAND.

303 blueocean January 6, 2008 at 11:30 AM

I agree that freedom of expression is a good thing. Just like when Hitler freely expressed his beliefs and then used them to destroy the lives of millions of innocent people. Oops. Only this time certain beliefs are being used to destroy the life of an innocent man.

304 beverly January 6, 2008 at 11:52 AM

I see red when i read someone trying to tell other people how to live there lifes,lIVE your own .that is a hard enough job,TO kerry and whoever,Anna picked her place to rest,She did not ask or want your opinion,FEEL FREE NOT TO RETURN IF IT BOTHERS YOU SO MUCH,I AM SURE YOU WILL NOT DO THAT,BECAUSE YOUR COMMENTS MAKE MONEY,RIGHT.MY HOPE IS HOWARD STOPS YOU.

305 beverly January 6, 2008 at 2:35 PM

TO VIRGIE,KERRY AND EINSTEIN,THE CAB DRIVER KNEW WHEN HE HAD PIGIONS,BIGGER TIP IF YOU GO ALONG WITH STUPID PEOPLE.

306 shadowbaby January 6, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Beverly, go back to Art’s site. It suits you better. You sound like a nut.

307 Rachel January 6, 2008 at 5:02 PM

Beverly – put a cork in it.

We will continue to discuss, criticize and offer our opinions about Howie. We will NOT be censored. He was “cleared” of nothing. You wait. The drugs that killed Anna where in his name. We don’t know about the drugs that killed Daniel yet, but he most certainly acquired the fatal dose in the hospital, out of Howie’s stash.

As to the grave marker, it IS our business. Anna was a public figure, and her “fans” have a right to expect an appropriate marker.

Your spin is getting old.

308 Mish January 6, 2008 at 5:23 PM

Did anyone know that prescibing drugs in anothers name in the state of Florida is legal? As long as all parties are aware…..

309 Jolene January 6, 2008 at 5:29 PM

Dear Mish
Federal Law trumps State Law every time……….it’s a constitutional issue.

It is a “Federal” crime to prescribe drugs to someone knowing that they are intend for a third party.

It is a “Federal” crime to distribute drugs that are prescribed in your name to a third party.

Since Howard admitted on “Larry Kind Live” that he knew that the drugs in his name were intended for Anna Nicole Smith -
That part of the “Federal Investigation” is over. Seems they must have more that they are going for in this case.

310 Rachel January 6, 2008 at 5:32 PM

No it isn’t Mish. That’s Sternie propaganda. If one wants to protect one’s privacy, a fictitious name may be used, not a real person, not an attorney and companion and certainly not the person who is going to administer the drugs.

You might want to lay off the koolaid. This has been proven over and over again. Sorry it doesn’t help your Howie is innocent agenda.

311 Jolene January 6, 2008 at 6:31 PM

Should I just stop checking back in for that list of lies that someone promised were contained in the above story?

312 Your nuts January 6, 2008 at 6:45 PM

Art put in his place?????

Do you people really think he gives a crap what you think of him???

He wrote an article several months ago about what was going on with the gravestone. Yesterday you were all down on HKS about no gravestone. You even talked about Arts article in your post. Come to find out the gravestone has not only already been found and the company picked to do it but it is currently being made. Today we get an over the top, “like to think of myself as a big shot and here myself talk” attack by two women who have already been caught in a lie about the cemetary where Anna and Daniel are buried.
You people are really desperate.

To let the ones here who may not know what the true animosity is from the people on this site towards “the other site”….back when this site first started it was the go to place for TRUTH SEEKING. They supported HKS along with Anna Nicole. They hated LB. There was a falling out of sorts which in reality proved to be like something between 14 yr. old kids, then Rose started hers. The lead “gang” on this site didn’t like that Rose was linked to S&M or porn. What stiff coats. I agree, it’s not for everyone but you shouldn’t put others down if they like it. Just let them be. What does it hurt you?
Back to the story. The “gang” had contact with Bonnie Stern and sent her a few emails that were none to flattering of Rose and her “connections.” Basically, “HKS shouldn’t be connected with her. Let us be the only ones with the connection.” The answer they got back wasn’t what they expected. Bonnie, basically told them to mind thier own business. Come to find out, Bonnie, is the owner and maker of Flutz Chocolate…..a “sexual enhancing” candy. So all the sudden, “I don’t support HKS anymore…. his sister is connected to porn….what a bunch of sleeze balls, etc….

Get over it. Howard had done nothing to change the opinion of the “gang.” It all came from Bonnie choosing to, after I’m sure feeling attacked about the whole “porn” thing, turn away from the ones who attacked. That is what changed the “gangs” area of focus. Then the attacks began. Which in turn has lead to the bitterness that is currently felt from this site toward “that other site.” That’s the God’s honest truth.

313 Your nuts January 6, 2008 at 7:01 PM

Is my post “caught” in the spam folder?

314 Jolene January 6, 2008 at 7:08 PM

Oh my world in rocking

Never mind that was just a stampede of Sternoids racing towards the nearest exit.

Carry on!

315 QV January 6, 2008 at 7:16 PM

Your Nuts. Yes, it got caught in the spam folder.
In fact, to everyone… that has been happening a lot lately and I am not always in front of the computer to catch it so if your post disappears, I will retrieve it when I see it.

Your Nuts. Sorry your post is factually incorrect and your time line is off too. There are few people that were privy to ALL that happened on April 19th and the emails that flew between those same people. I see you are not one of them.

316 Mish January 6, 2008 at 7:28 PM

Jolene
Thank you for that info. What the first sentence should have said was “DOES anyone know that prescibing drugs in anothers name in the state of Florida is legal?” Not DID. I remember reading an article somewhere that said it was legal. I dont remember where, it had the name Michele Chase mentioned.

Rachel
PISS OFF! Who are you to assume that you know who I am for.I dont drink the “koolaid”.
I have NO “Howie is innocent agenda”. If you did know me you would no that I did support Howard in the begining, now Im looking for the truth. I have read things that make me have questions.
I will continue to discuss, criticize,offer my opinion on items and ask questions about Howard, virgie, larry, and who ever I please until I get the answeres Im looking for to form my opinion.
The only thing I know for certain is that I dislike Virgie. That is MO and it was formed by reading and watching interviews with Anna. It is also formed by the continued way she behaves. Just because I dislike Virgie DOES not mean that I am a fan of Howards. I have no reason to be a fan of his, his music is not one I love to listen, he is not an actor( playing himself on a reality show does not make one an actor), and he is not an author of who I admire his writtings.
He is plain and simple a Lawyer, a man, the “compannion” of Anna. Nothing that would make me a fan. I support him somewhat until I have my complete answeres that will form my opinion.

317 Mish January 6, 2008 at 7:41 PM

As far as larry I whole heartdly support him
1. Because he IS the father of Danilynne
I dont care if he is straight, Bi, or a full fledge homosexual.He is her father and has fought for her from the begining.
I do agree he has alot to learn in child rearing but who the hell doesnt? Tell me of one first time parent that did it all correct the first time?
He will be scrutinized no matter what he does.
I belive Anna if still alive would be sharing custody of Danilynne with larry. Anna fought so hard because she did not want to share. Especially after losing Daniel.
I think Anna after losing Daniel was in alot of pain, and turned to more drugs to numb that pain.
I do believe Howard was an enabler.

318 Anonymous January 6, 2008 at 7:44 PM

Mish – It’s not legal ANYWHERE in the US to transfer your drugs to someone else.
As has been posted many a time, Federal Law TRUMPS state law, but even if it didn’t, it is NOT, repeat- NOT -legal in Florida either.

319 Jolene January 6, 2008 at 7:49 PM

The lead “gang” on this site didn’t like that Rose was linked to S&M or porn. What stiff coats. I agree, it’s not for everyone but you shouldn’t put others down if they like it. Just let them be. What does it hurt
———-
LOL

I’m sorry but, you just can’t make this stuff up.

Mish,
I also support Larry, not because I think he is a great guy, I don’t but because he is the biological father of Dannielynn………period.

I’ve so moved past that part of the story. It was decided a long time ago.

But I still think that Howard has some explaining to do about what happened in that Hospital Room and what happened in the Hotel room.

Sorry, but I ain’t buying the two people dead ooooooooops story.

320 freida January 6, 2008 at 7:51 PM

I guess it was just a coincidence that she wanted to be another Marilyn Monroe…and after the passing of her son, maybe she was nudged over the edge?

Chloral Hydrate?

Burst my bubble…

It’s all so sad, really.

321 freida January 6, 2008 at 7:54 PM

Enabler?

In a blurrrrrrrr.

Cute word.

322 freida January 6, 2008 at 7:57 PM

I’m up to my neck in numbers and papers, darn bookkeeping.

QV, dear,
I sure wish you would number the comments, here ye, hear ye!!!

323 freida January 6, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Ya’ll really didn’t need to get so ugly, and vile, and obtuse, though.

I mean really.

It all seems so uncivilized…

I know, I know…I didn’t spell that right, I can tell by looking at the word that it just isn’t the right spelling.

Make me LOL.

Some one please…

Say something ‘funny.’

324 QV January 6, 2008 at 8:06 PM

Dear Freida,
I wish for the same, but its the theme. It’s the site decoration, that lacks comments numbers.

325 beverly January 6, 2008 at 8:27 PM

shadowbaby,and RACHEL,I LOVE THE COMMENTS,whats the matter,the truth hurts,you want to kiss Virgie,s butt go ahead,she will never get ANNA OUT OF THE BAHAMAS,YOU CAN RIP HOWARD AND ART APART ALL YOU WANT,WE WILL HAVE THE LAST LAUGH,HAS ANYONE TOLD YOU HOWARD WAS CLEARED,OR DID NOT YOUR RETARTED BRAIN HANDLE IT,HOWARD WAS CLEARED,LIVE WITH IT.

326 Mish January 6, 2008 at 8:38 PM

Jolene
Thank you for your mature response. Its nice to have a discussion with someone with some differing views without the catfight and name calling.
I agree that Howard does have some explaining to do. Its all speculation at the moment because we dont have all the answeres we dont have all sides to weigh.
I feel that there is more to Daniels death. I dont think its as simple as Howard……
One thing that was brought to my attention by another poster (AP) was in the book it states that the Police found Hardings card in Daniel’s “death” pants, yet GBT and FS states they seen Howard dispose of two pills that were taking from Daniels pants(this was done at Horizons)So am I and are we all to believe that the Police took the card and left the pills?
OR……should I believe that FS and GBT are involved somehow, and have tried very hard to take the blame off themselves and stir it towards Howard???

See like I said so many unanswered questions I would love to hear the answeres. :)

327 Mish January 6, 2008 at 8:54 PM

I wasnt around yesterday, so I am catching up on my reading. I do want to address another person but I have to leave. I dont know if I will be back on tonight or if I will address her tommorow.

I would like to say it was nice, a nice Christmas, a nice New years and the looks of things people just couldnt wait…… :(

328 shadowbaby January 6, 2008 at 9:11 PM

freida Says:
January 6th, 2008 at 7:51 pm

I guess it was just a coincidence that she wanted to be another Marilyn Monroe…and after the passing of her son, maybe she was nudged over the edge?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Freida (and others), have you ever read marilyn monroe’s autopsy report? It is chillingly similar to anna’s. Too much so for my mind.

P.S. Freida, I enjoy your comments. :)

329 beverly January 6, 2008 at 9:12 PM

I WILL STAY ON THIS WEBSITE TILL EVERYONE OF HOWARDS COURT SUITS ARE OVER,SO EVERYONE PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CALL ME ANYTHING YOU LIKE.I WANT TO BE HERE TO LAUGH AND SAY (I TOLD YOU SO)

330 Anonymous January 6, 2008 at 9:15 PM

Frieda just because you wanted something funny! Enjoy!

A man was in his front yard mowing grass when his attractive blonde female neighbor came out of the house and went straight to the mailbox.

She opened it then slammed it shut and stormed back in the house.

A little later she came out of her house again went to the mail box and again, opened it, slammed it shut again. Angrily, back into the house she went.

As the man was getting ready to edge the lawn, here she came out again, marched to the mail box, opened it and then slammed it closed harder than ever.

Puzzled by her actions the man asked her, “Is something wrong?”

To which she replied, “There certainly is!”

(Are you ready? This is a beauty…)

“My stupid computer keeps saying, “YOU’VE GOT MAIL!”

331 freida January 6, 2008 at 9:35 PM

Maybe yu culd simplify that?

Just went over my head, LOL!!!

332 freida January 6, 2008 at 9:39 PM

culd…cud…cood…ah, that’s better!!!

I think.

Go figure!!!

333 freida January 6, 2008 at 9:44 PM

HAY!!!

TALKIN’ ‘BOUT FIGURES…

Anna sure had one didn’t she?

Lean and mean, fat and sassy, gosh darn it…

She was really beautiful either way, wasn’t she?

Or, was she?

Did she eat too, much?
Or not enough?

Slim fast baby…take that bottle away…put ‘em on a diet of substitutes.

Whoops, don’t mind me, really!!!

334 Jolene January 6, 2008 at 9:52 PM

Mish,
I am bothered that Alex Katz refused to talk to the police.

I am bothered that when asked in court about Dr. Christian Howard disclaimed any knowledged even though it’s obvious that he was being asked about Dr. Khris.

I am bothered that the drugs were not all accounted for in the Hotel.

I am bothered that until the death of Anna Nicole in Florida Howard denied all knowledge of Methadone use and availability.

I am bothered that Howard ordered an independent autopsy on Daniel but not on Anna.

There’s a lot more, but that’s enough for now.

Glad you had a great christmas.

335 freida January 6, 2008 at 9:53 PM

Dear QV,
The most beautiful thing here is the simplicity.

Love Always,
Freida

336 maryst January 6, 2008 at 9:55 PM

One post reads:
No it isn’t Mish. That’s Sternie propaganda. If one wants to protect one’s privacy, a fictitious name may be used, not a real person, not an attorney and companion and certainly not the person who is going to administer the drugs.

You might want to lay off the koolaid. This has been proven over and over again. Sorry it doesn’t help your Howie is innocent agenda.

I have a question for you, why hasn’t Howard been arrested then? You know more then the authorities and a bright lawyer? You accuse others of drinking “kool-aide” (what ever that means)

337 maryst January 6, 2008 at 9:57 PM

Jolene,
I am bothered that the drugs were not all accounted for in the Hotel.

What are you talking about? How do you know this?

338 maryst January 6, 2008 at 10:06 PM

Me’s thinking you watch to much Fox then again you seem to belief a lot of propaganda

339 freida January 6, 2008 at 10:29 PM

Do you want my ‘honest’ opinion?

Of course not, LOL.

It’s better to have your own.

340 Mandy January 6, 2008 at 10:50 PM

Freida

I love the simplicity too….LOL

341 against howard, art, and rose January 6, 2008 at 10:53 PM

Frieda go back to arts site. Your always on there. Why would you want to be on a site that runs your man down? Art is a short troll and has the short complex. Thats why he picks on women. Also a short penis.

342 beverly January 6, 2008 at 10:56 PM

Ford Shelly claimed on geraldo show he was going to be at the bahamas,we are all waiting,this time his passport is missing,I will love to hear WHY HE CANNOT MAKE IT THE 28 OF JAN, WHERE,S RITA,HAVE NOT SEEN OR HEARD FROM HER,VIRGIE,S HUGE BODY IS ALWAYS BUTT UP AT THE CEMETERY WITH CAMERAS.DON CLARK IS LOOKING STUPID SAYING I AM NOT THE SOURCE,WHAT A BUNCH OF DINGBATS.

343 Mandy January 6, 2008 at 10:56 PM

against howard, art and rose

“If you can’t beat them, ridicule them…” Team Stupid Motto

344 maryst January 6, 2008 at 10:58 PM

Per QV,

Please read our terms of service (TOS) before posting. Comments are often moderated and may not appear right away. Comments should stay on topic, and not contain slurs, excessive profanity, or threats toward other posters

hateful posts that add nothing of value to the conversation, especially those that are off-topic and that are made solely to be controversial, will be removed.

IN THE OLD DAYS THIS WAS TRUE, NOW ANYTHING GOES, WHO CARES IF YOU INSULT ANOTHER POSTER
PS FREIDA, I LOVE YOU POST

345 maryst January 6, 2008 at 11:00 PM

Mandy, Team Stupid? this site?

346 Anonymous January 6, 2008 at 11:02 PM

I thought this comment from those pics was interesting.

Picture # 12

A view of the humble Nassau cemetery where Daniel Smith, son of Anna Nicole Smith, was buried in an unmarked grave.

347 Mandy January 6, 2008 at 11:03 PM

Hi Beverly

So glad Bonnie Stern saw then what we see now. Bless her heart.

348 freida January 6, 2008 at 11:10 PM

#

# against howard, art, and rose Says:
January 6th, 2008 at 10:53 pm

Frieda go back to arts site. Your always on there. Why would you want to be on a site that runs your man down? Art is a short troll and has the short complex. Thats why he picks on women. Also a short bleep.
________

Oh, I love this one so much!!!

How big is your bleep! (sorry).

349 Jolene January 6, 2008 at 11:14 PM

maryst

Let’s think for one moment.

Compare the list of drugs obtained through freedom of information act and then the list of drugs found in Anna’s system

Besides the Methadone in the bile which was taken before she left the Bahamas there are two other important drugs not on the list.
1. The choloral hydrate
2. Ativan or Lorazapam

Also where were the drugs in the package sent to Moe’s house and delivered to the HardRock that Monday evening.

See,
Somethings are not adding up.
Mark my words this is going to come up in the California investigation!

350 gay-ela January 7, 2008 at 4:16 AM

NOw i know about Maryst. she posts where she gets all the attention. and PAIN. There is not enoughPain on Rose’s for her. Rose is all about love. Rose has bonni’s flurtz chocolates on her site. to sell. all SEX. what are tyou called on that site mryst. not master, or slave. thoise 2 are taken, are you maid maryst, and do the fetching of the whips and leather masks,
and do you eat those chocolates. to keep everyone hapoy, even Bonnie, cause she gets money for those. ?? Tell us true. i finally had to leave ARTS

351 beverly January 7, 2008 at 4:18 AM

TO WACK A MOLE Virgie never goes to the bahamas without splash,MAN WHERE IS YOUR GRAY MATTER,BOTH POLICE DEPARTMENTS HAVE SAID hOWARD HAS BEEN CLEARED OF FOUL PLAY What Howard gets or does not get is none of your concern.if you are going to plant flowers,you do not dig with your hands you bring a spade to dig,what low class she was there for show, CUT OUT THE CAREING MOTHER SPEECH,SHE IS A LOT TO LATE,THE TIME TO SHOW LOVE IS WHEN YOUR CHILD IS STILL ALIVE,ALL THAT LOVE VIRGIE SHOWED ANNA ON NATIONAL TV,DANNIEL DID NOT OVERDOSE HIMSELF,THERE WERE TWO OTHERS IN THE ROOM.WELL GRANDMA NEVER KNEW DANNIEL AND NEVER LOVED HIM .TO LATE NOW

352 QV January 7, 2008 at 4:36 AM

Hi Everyone. It looks like we lost a whole bunch of comments when the site crashed today and my web host had to roll back the site to a previous time. There was no other way to fix the problem.
I’m very sorry.
Thank you.
QV

353 freida January 7, 2008 at 4:56 AM

bleep,

Thank you QV!!!

354 Mrs. Marple January 7, 2008 at 5:28 AM

Hello Folks!

I have heard of this site but I have never really known where to find it! Now that I have found this site I have enjoyed reading the articles. Tonight is my first visit to the comments. I am sorry it has taken me this long to find this lovely site! I love the articles and I have really enjoyed reading your comments. To all of my friends on this site, Thanks for the support! I do not believe, I have ever been as angry as I was after Art Harris’ response! I honestly have to say that I was floored that anyone that considers himself to be a journalist could publish such rubbish! I believe the man has no integrity!

355 M Joyce January 7, 2008 at 6:27 AM

QV:

This is the first time I’ve returned to your site since the winds blew it in the other direction and you changed sides. After skimming thru this bunch of posts I would say it was definitely a Godsend your site went down today with a lot of comments lost! The comments by some of the above posters, including parts of the main “article” are just terrible, hateful, infantile, unbelievable. I was mortified and embarassed for you. What has happened????? I used to enjoy coming to your site and reading your articles and poster’s comments. If this is an example of the intellect of posters you now attract since that wind blew through, I would say it has totally lost all credibility. It looks like an overflow crowd from TMZ which is nothing but a joke.

QV, you have written some excellent articles in the past definitely worth reading, and since you no doubt have to pay money to keep this site running, you would be doing a service to those who are interested in reading both sides of the story by letting go of the sour grapes and emotions and blocking the hateful, infantile posters, to bring your site up to a higher level. Right now it’s a waste of bandwidth.

In life we are faced with many tests that must be overcome. The “situation” that presents itself is not the test itself, as we are judged on our “reactions” to what is presented.

356 Anonymous January 7, 2008 at 7:36 AM

M Joyce
Bravo, excellent, what is a wonderful comment.
QV should be ashamed of herself.

357 Anne January 7, 2008 at 7:58 AM

Mrs. Marple Says:
“I do not believe, I have ever been as angry as I was after Art Harris’ response”!
________________________________

What did you expect? Go back and read your own comments to Art. You asked for it, begged for it so maybe you should not be all that upset or angry. IMO it was just Art’s way of having a little fun – sort of making fun of you.

358 Jolene January 7, 2008 at 1:33 PM

maryst Says:
January 6th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Me’s thinking you watch to much Fox then again you seem to belief a lot of propaganda

Maryst,
Did you really write this?
If not I apologize ahead of time, but if so………
Sorry but this is so illiterate on so many levels that I would suggest you take an adult education course in basic English grammer.
If this post is any indication you would not even be able to help your child with junior high school level writing.
I know this is harsh but it is disturbing that an adult in the United States of America would have such a poor grasp of the fundamentals of writing.
Please devote 1/10 of your computer time to learning the basic.
Really, society will thank you for the effort.

359 maryst January 7, 2008 at 1:58 PM

Jo, obviously you have not read my post, you should know my grammar is at at least a jr. high level
all my post are being removed
It seems frivolous to get into a discussion
As far as Fox goes I do find them to be propaganda and not reliable in finding truth

360 EJ January 7, 2008 at 2:01 PM

This site is a total JOKE! I can’t believe QV alllows this, but go figure! I don’t think Art gives a care what you fools say about him. He knows who he is and that’s all that matters.

361 Its slow over at Arts January 7, 2008 at 2:15 PM

EJ its also slow over there is that why your here? You can go back and twiddle your thumbs witing for the numb nuts to comeback.

362 maryst January 7, 2008 at 2:28 PM

Jo. post to me: know this is harsh but it is disturbing that an adult in the United States of America would have such a poor grasp of the fundamentals of writing.
I don’t know why our kids are falling behind in education

363 EJ January 7, 2008 at 2:31 PM

Its slow over at Arts,I have a mental picture and it’s not a good one, trust me. You guys are so funny!

364 EJ January 7, 2008 at 2:36 PM

It’s slow over at arts,
The mental picture that I spoke about in my earlier post is of you looking as foolish as you sound. It’s interesting to read how screwed up some people seem to be and it’s equally intersting to see how some toss their own trashy life to the curb and try to take over someone else’s life. Have fun!

365 QV January 7, 2008 at 4:04 PM

I will hazard to say that the reason that some are complaining about this site and me is because I have allowed a different viewpoint and format than the original.

Also, talk about hateful comments is really moot because when I go back and look, a couple of my former Howard supporter members own the most hateful comments and in fact started several arguments here.

Instead of simply expressing their viewpoint, they attack any that do not share their opinion

Also, there was no interest by these people that are complaining on the site until I opened it to all sides.
So thats the way it goes.

Any future comments about the direction that this blog has taken will be deleted if I see them. There is a contact form on the site and you can contact me by email. Several have already done so and I appreciate those that do, no matter what their complaint is.

If you do not like this site then simply leave here and do not come back. To state that you do not like the site or what is written here and then come back and post is really hypocritical.

366 AlamoGirl January 7, 2008 at 4:19 PM

QV, you hang tuff and keep reporting BOTH sides of this sad sags. Thanks!

367 biddy January 7, 2008 at 4:28 PM

QV, The one that is unbiased is you. Hang in there and do let them try to make you something you are not. You have done great and I love your site.

368 QV January 7, 2008 at 4:49 PM

Thank you ladies. I’ll have a new article up shortly. Its going to be about how this site started as a support group for Howard and how it evolved into what it is today.

369 Mish January 7, 2008 at 5:38 PM

QV
Keep doing what your doing. Allowing both sides to post its alot clearer to see the whole picture.
I still stand that I dislike Virgie. Thats MO.

EJ
I think whats implied is that no one is posting at Arts the past few days. Dont get upset.

370 Mandy January 7, 2008 at 5:49 PM

Mish, it is not that no-one is posting at Art’s. He just does not update every second. Seems he has a life.

If Art would allow the crazy TMZ bunch to flood his site like they are flooding this one with their filthy postings, believe me he would have more hits than QV and TMZ together. But he does not intend to sell his soul to the devil like someone we know…..LOL

371 Mish January 7, 2008 at 5:56 PM

Mandy
Not his articles, on the forum which automatically posts.

372 Mandy January 7, 2008 at 6:07 PM

QV

I would love for you to give us both sides of the story, and to be objective. I would like to hold you to that, simply because you CLAIM that that is what you are all about.

But the “trash Howard” agenda came through clearly in the “article” about Anne’s grave. Nevermind how much you deny that. It is there on black and white for those who read objectively.

Be honest and say you are leaning more to the side of Virgie/OQuin worshipping, which is fine, we all have a right to our opinions.

373 Mandy January 7, 2008 at 6:09 PM

Mish

People have lives. I am on holiday and decided to devote my time defending Howard, which is my right and which I enjoy.

374 Mish January 7, 2008 at 7:16 PM

Mandy
Are you missing the point?

Its been slow posting on the forum at Arts for the past few days. Havent read much of anything new over there. That is what Im saying.
On his main blog when you post you need to wait for Art to do whatever he does to make it show.
On the forum it post right away and I havent seen anything new hence….its slow.
People do have lives glad you do too.Enjoy your holiday and your defense of Howard. Hope you find some good things to help him. I do still in someways support him and as always still waiting for all the answeres before I send him to the pits with virgie.

375 Mish January 7, 2008 at 7:24 PM

That didnt come out right “waiting for all the answeres before I send him to the pits with virgie”. Im not planning all sending him, unless somekind of evidence shows up that proves he is guilty. So far I have seen nothing much.

And with that, Im out of here. QV check your email.

376 EJ January 7, 2008 at 7:51 PM

Mish,
I’m not upset that no one is posting at Art’s or whatever. That doesn’t control my life. Thanks so much.

377 Mandy January 7, 2008 at 9:05 PM

Mish

Why is it so important for you to see anything new on Arts…? (smile, just teasing you.)

378 Mandy January 7, 2008 at 9:07 PM

Dont’ need to find any good thing to help Howard, just keep telling the facts like it is…

379 Mandy January 7, 2008 at 9:08 PM

BTW Mish you seem kinda nice…

380 Carol January 7, 2008 at 9:16 PM

Mrs. Marple Says:
January 7th, 2008 at 5:28 am
Hello Folks!

I have heard of this site but I have never really known where to find it! Now that I have found this site I have enjoyed reading the articles. Tonight is my first visit to the comments. I am sorry it has taken me this long to find this lovely site! I love the articles and I have really enjoyed reading your comments. To all of my friends on this site, Thanks for the support! I do not believe, I have ever been as angry as I was after Art Harris’ response! I honestly have to say that I was floored that anyone that considers himself to be a journalist could publish such rubbish! I believe the man has no integrity

Mrs. Marple I love your writings. also You know if we write anything neg. on Art Harris’s site some of these people write horrible things to us. also Art does too as you know. I wrote something on there and they put part of my email address on there. It was awful. I dislike arts site with a passion and will tell everyone I know not to go there.

Justice for Daniel and Anna will come this summer I am sure. Also I am waiting on the big bomb to come with the news. It hasn’t

381 Carol January 7, 2008 at 9:19 PM

Mandy Says:
January 7th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Mish, it is not that no-one is posting at Art’s. He just does not update every second. Seems he has a life.

If Art would allow the crazy TMZ bunch to flood his site like they are flooding this one with their filthy postings, believe me he would have more hits than QV and TMZ together. But he does not intend to sell his soul to the devil like someone we know…..LOL

Did you sell your soul to the devil as you are posting here with the people that you don’t like.

382 Mish January 7, 2008 at 9:50 PM

Mandy

“Why is it so important for you to see anything new on Arts…? (smile, just teasing you.)”

Like I said so I can get all the info like I do from all the sites and then i put it in a little hat stir it up and form my own opinions…….LOL.

“BTW Mish you seem kinda nice”

You know what I really am. Thanks :)

383 Mandy January 7, 2008 at 11:29 PM

Carol

I am here because even in hell they need a voice of reason…..

384 M Joyce January 8, 2008 at 2:28 AM

QV: Re your post above – the word sadly should be devolve…

385 VIVIAN January 8, 2008 at 11:35 PM

ACTUALLY aRT HAS NOT HAD MUCH TIME TO WATCH HIS POSTERS ON HIS FORUM, HE DOES’NT KNOW IT YET, THAT ALL THE INTERNET CRAZIES, HAVE TAKEN HIS FORUM OVER, LIKE THEY DID QVS UNTILL SHE CLOSED, AND TRIED TO DO THE SAME TO jANE, UNTILL SHE STOPPED, HER ARTICLES, ON hOWARD. AND WE KNOW HOW THESE SAME POSTERS NOW TREAT BOTH QV AND JANE, BECAUSE, THEY GAVE UP THEIR BLOGS, SUPPORTING HOWARD. wATCH OUT ART, IF YOIU CLOSE YOURS DOWN. YOU WILL GET THE SAME KIND OF TREATMENT . THEY ONLY SURVIVE IN A PACK.

386 VIVIAN January 8, 2008 at 11:54 PM

mjoyce, qv is no taking sides, if that was so, it would only be one side or the other on here. like Arts or Rose’s. And if you go to the very first, article, and see who started the ball rolling calling others names, it was a Howard supporter, from way back. and like all bad things it mushrooms. I have no respect for anyone who thinks they can just say anything about and to anyone. calling them names ect. How intelligent do you have to be to do that. But to start trAshing the owner of a blog, on her OWN BLOG IS THE LOWEST THEY BRING NO INFO WITH THEM, TO SHOW PEOPLE THEIR SIDE. tHEY JUST OPEN THEIR STUPID MOUTHS. i JUST TOOK A LOT OF THESE, POSTS AND SENT THEM TO HOWARD AND OTHERS TO SHOW THEM WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE SUPPORTING HOWARD.

387 VIVIAN January 9, 2008 at 12:15 AM

Mish, have you seen the light yet?
ad says
Freida, click on my name and you can join those who agree with you and whom you have had discussions with in the past (better act quick, who knows if this comment will be deleted or not).
PS to the troublemakers here, you are NOT welcome, and your comments will be deleted and we will turn moderation and registration back on if need be.

QV, you have the right to do what you want….but this is an all time low for you to allow what you have on this thread. The threats, the real names, etc. I guess you wouldnt be too happy if we opened the vent thread up again would you? We tried to compromise with you….but I see that didnt work. We may just go one step better and turn over all our evidence to the lawyers who will take some action. None of those who have violated your TOS have been banned, after vile threats. …you didnt have to turn it into this and I find it sad that you cannot just move on.

It is ok to have difference of opinions if you can do it with dignity and in an adult manner…but I see that is impossible here. Oh lets see if this comment even shows up.

Lololololol, dignity, how can she even know what that means. And here she is after trashing you for so long and still doing it she comes here and advertises her blog. But in another breath says how horrible this place is, she is so jealous. You have some posters here, and it is not you writing the posts. The worst come from her pals. She is a joke.

388 VIVIAN January 9, 2008 at 12:18 AM

this whole comment was from ad. and i just commented at the end. of it. kinda got messed up i guess

389 Margie January 9, 2008 at 3:01 AM

I am an avid reader of Art’s site and a Howard supporter. I enjoy his site, and I have not seen any examples of woman hating. I really don’t understand why some of you believe Howard murdered Anna and Daniel. I understand the ‘enabler’ thing. If you haven’t been in a loving relationship with an addict, you wouldn’t understand, although I’m sure what happens varies. I get very angry when I read some of the stuff posted, we all do. But the FACT of the matter is that Anna loved Howard. There are no charges against Howard, and there never will be. It’s not fair or right to prosecute or demean Howard, Art, me or anyone else who speaks the TRUTH.

390 Margie January 9, 2008 at 3:19 AM

Sorry, I have to add something. As for your big ‘smoking gun’, Anna’s drugs being in Howard’s name..well..BIG SHOCK. Do you know how many stars do that? Good grief that’s the dumbest thing I’ve even heard! So what? I personally know of four big ‘stars’ who are on Methadone in someone else’s name. It is COMMON.

391 Carol January 9, 2008 at 3:24 AM

I love your site QV. also anything I write is just my own thoughts and not anybody elses. I am a Virgie supporter

392 Jojo January 9, 2008 at 4:24 PM

Hey Vivian stop threatening. You don’t like it then go elsewhere.
Your venom is obvious. I’t all sound and fury amounting to nothing.
You sound like a kindergarten who doesn’t like the rules so she is going to go tattle to the teacher.

Grow up!

393 Jojo January 9, 2008 at 4:25 PM

Sorry Vivian,
Didn’t read your post correctly. (red face)
That was for the fool who keeps posting threats.

Sorry,

394 mish January 9, 2008 at 6:36 PM

I seen the light…….. I seen the BIG BRIGHT LIGHT I seen what was in that light and you know what Its not at all nice.

395 VIVIAN January 9, 2008 at 11:23 PM

For years Anna was handling her own drug intake, But she did have these doctors who would also cater to her, For a price , i;m sure. i bought a rag mag with Lindsay lohan ,a nd its an eye opener for me , about these drug cocktails, that drs, give their patients, She is going into an out patient clinic, She will be under the care of Mathew Torrington medical director of the clinic, specializing in treating alcohol, cocaine, and meth addictions. IT is called the PROMETA system. IT is also under a lot of controversy, Lindsay will be recieving specific series of interavenous and oral doses in a ‘combination: from 3 drugs.They ars FLUMAZENIL,a med used to treat overdoses of benzodiazepine drugs like Zanax and VALIUM, hydroxyzine an antihistimine used to control nausea;and Gabapentin. an anti seziure med. These drugs have been approved by the FDA INDIVIDUALLY, but not in combination, and NOT for treating drug addiction, IS it dangerous??? The clinic does not give any claims to the programs success[$15,000 a month] Dr, Torrington says the treatment repairs the part of the brain that controls the craving.,for drugs. he says in his experience it has helped people who are suffering . but there is no clinical testing , and say persons could be at risk. several Medical Center drs, has said he is peddling Snake oil . a dr. Chaves says that the Flumazenil, could cause seizures. . There is no good sicence behind this program. SO this reminds me of the cocktails DR,E was giving Anna, even when she was told they were dangerous. But They are still doing this??? SE all are supposed to be SO caeeful in the meds we injest, together. Me i will not take anything i cannot pronounce. IT is usually man made. Anna nicole used many names before she knew hpward, somewhere around there is a list. These Hollywood doctors take care of their special patients. Its a wonder more have not died. in defense of Howard he did not start Anna on drugs, and i am sure life would have been much easier,if she did not take them. he has made mistakews, yes, but not and he is trying to rectify them .

396 VIVIAN January 9, 2008 at 11:32 PM

ad says
Freida, click on my name and you can join those who agree with you and whom you have had discussions with in the past (better act quick, who knows if this comment will be deleted or not).
PS to the troublemakers here, you are NOT welcome, and your comments will be deleted and we will turn moderation and registration back on if need be.

QV, you have the right to do what you want….but this is an all time low for you to allow what you have on this thread. The threats, the real names, etc. I guess you wouldnt be too happy if we opened the vent thread up again would you? We tried to compromise with you….but I see that didnt work. We may just go one step better and turn over all our evidence to the lawyers who will take some action. None of those who have violated your TOS have been banned, after vile threats. …you didnt have to turn it into this and I find it sad that you cannot just move on.

It is ok to have difference of opinions if you can do it with dignity and in an adult manner…but I see that is impossible here. Oh lets see if this comment
oh wow AD gave qv permission to write what ever she wanted on her own blog,, Now i do not see qv on her blog for any reason,what what is this all about???? i am still puzzled, with the statement about trying to compromise, . For one thing i would never compromise with the devil and her deciples, if it were me secondly, what is going on here at this blog has nothing to do with the trash that ad has been flinging all over . so i am so glad at least she as a trouble maker will stop tryung to come and steal the posters. on her limp site.

397 Margie January 11, 2008 at 6:34 PM

Vivian:
In regards to the Drug Cocktails.
They are VERY common in Hollywood. But the combo of drugs that Anna was on did not have the two key drugs that they use to curb Opiate use, which was her ‘drug of choice’. Perhaps at one point, she did have them, because both are drugs you wean off of quite quickly after you quit the opiate (in this case, I’ll assume Methadone because of the pregnancy. which, btw is safe and commonly used during pregnancy, but she got off anyway, a HUGE accomplishment for an addict, for anyone…VER hard to do. What no one wants to understand is that for a recovering addict, that had many other problems, the amount of drugs she was on really isn’t THAT shocking.

398 Margie January 11, 2008 at 6:47 PM

I would like to ad, again, since it vanishes…
Clark lost ALL credibility when he aligned himself with a man he was investigating.
You know, I haven’t been in the middle of this big mess, but someone told me at one time you supported Howard. How could you do such a total turn around? Is this true? I think it’s sad, esp. if it’s true you’re giving private information to people. That is lower than low. If someone gave you information, thinking they could trust you, I hope you uphold that trust.

399 QV January 11, 2008 at 8:04 PM

Margie, did I delete any of your comments? I don’t recall doing that.

Sounds like you are listening to rumors. Well, go ahead. As my grandma used to say “everything will come out in the wash”.

I have a story to tell. There are many that want to know it, and I am going to tell it. The controversy stems from people not wanting the story told at this time. Too bad.

And why you would come over here and post something like that makes me wonder.

400 Margie January 12, 2008 at 2:52 AM

As for deleting my comments, apparently, you lost some, so I am sorry I accused you of it. I was obviously wrong.
The reason I posted that is because I would like to know if it’s true. And if so, why? I think you answered me in saying that a lot of people want to know, and you’re going to answer. I appreciate that. I would like to know. I don’t listen to any rumors because I don’t talk to anyone who could tell me any. I saw the ‘argument’ and was curious. I did read somewhere that ‘names of trusted people no longer trusted’ were going to be released, and like I said, I hope it’s not true.
I really think this whole thing is sad. I understand that a lot, if not most people have problems with some of the stuff Howard did. But murder? Too much. I feel awful for the man. I wish there was some middle ground for people, if they would even go to it. Yes, I’m one who some may call ‘blinded’, yeah, to me, maybe he hung the moon…but MURDER? No.

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