Before you read this next section, I would like to make a statement about how this article was written. The facts in this article are supported by emails and old postings from this site’s former days. I am trying to share as many of the facts so that you can see them with your own eyes. Some things, of course, come from memory. I received an email the other day from a person that was involved in this story about a minor mistake concerning the method in which we communicated once. No problem, I changed it. So there you have it. Some have called this story into question, however I have the evidence to prove facts that are written here. I know its a bit tedious to read, but it will clear up a lot of questions that many people have had for a long time.
Part IV
I received that email from “R” that practically ordering me to take an article down, in no polite terms. I was stunned and did not have time to reply or ask questions because six minutes later, I received an email from her that said, “I can’t be traced back to your blog via O’Quinn’s threat to sue anyone that libels Virgie….. I need you and “H” go in and take down all of my writings and posts… I am NOT going to be sued and I need that all taken down ASAP”.
Seriously, wasn’t this overkill? She didn’t like one of the forty or more posts I’d written, but rather than communicate with me like a friend and explain her concerns, she went off the deep end and demanded that every post and comment she made be removed. It was shocking to me, really, but I went about the task of taking all her “writings and posts” down. I still had not replied to her any of her emails. About an hour later, another one arrives,
“I have emailed you before, and if you don’t remove my articles and my posts to protect me the next email you get will be CC’d to my personal attorney…Please verify you have taken the articles and ALL posts down, with you and “_” and I think you said “H” as moderators it would not be that hard for you to get this OFF of your blog”.
Did you catch the one where she acts like she doesn’t know who my moderator is (and I think you said “H”)? The one that reports to her for assignments mostly involving my website and its members. The one that emailed her about the story that I had just posted? The one that asked for and supplied my site member’s research and chat transcripts to “R”?
I replied “all you had to do is go take a look…everything is down and has been since you asked…I’ll double check though. QV“. And I went through the search process again and it looked as if all her writings were gone from my blog.
I went to the chat room to hopefully talk to the ones that worked on the information in question. I also had wanted to make sure of everyone that worked on it had put their names on the article. I sent everyone involved an email but had not heard back from all of them.
There was a woman “T”. She was a member of the site. Kind of a conspiracy theorist and she first emailed me when she joined the site with interesting observations that she made about the Marshall family and Bohemian Grove. On that day, she came into the chat room and told my members that they were not supposed to be talking about the Saunders information. I asked her on whose authority that was. She said, my moderator “H”. “T” and I had words about her tone with the people in the room and also about me hearing for the first time that it was ordered that no one should speak about it.
“T” then emailed me and I was glad that she did. She sent me an email conversation that she had with “H”. In that, “T” said that she posted the information two days before and she wrote to “H” to tell her and make sure it was ok. She said that she would have also emailed me but she knew that I was extremely busy. “H” responded to “T” – “thanks muffin .. if anyone asks for whatever .. say you lost it HAHAHAHA I will delete it ;)”.
About that time, I also started receiving emails and seeing members complain on the board about their posts being removed. “H” was doing this on her own, without my permission or knowledge.
There were things going on behind my back, and I felt betrayed. Had I known what was going on, I could have saved a lot of hard and hurt feelings. Also, when I went to the chat room that night, I would not have had my misunderstanding with “T”, which several people witnessed and viewed out of context. After I learned what was going on, I did apologize to her. She sent me a very compassionate and heartfelt email a couple of days later.
Then I get another email from “R”..
“I guess you accidentally forgot these articles, here are the urls so you know which ones I need taken down… I know there is no way to take every post down on topics, but if you don’t mind try to take as many down as you can… It is really sad “QV” that ppl took advantage of your affect to help and turned it into just another media frenzy with keeping to the high standard you have always had “FACTS first OPINIONS second… I hope you can slowly if O’Quinn does not try to get your site taken down, build the reputation your site once had… This is heartbreaking to the Stern family I am sure, since your site was so unique…
What was she talking about?? I posted an article and in the course of a few hours according to “R”, I cost Stern a court case? O’Quinn is going to sue both “R” and I, and get the site taken down to boot? As well as, “a media frenzy” and whatever being heartbreaking to the Stern Family? Again, she cracks on “people” aka the members.
I had enough of all of it, From “R’s” WTF when I was on the phone with “VM” weeks before, to things being deleted from the blog and other goings on that I was not informed about, as well as being accused of all of the above that “R” had written to me, so I told her what was on my mind. You can see that here.
I apologize in advance for the contents of that email. I know it hard to read. At the time, my opinions were jaded. I had battles with my mother over the years. My own experience colored my opinion of what I was learning and what I saw on television. I did not know the inside story. I still don’t about some items. Some I do. But I do know now that things are sometimes not what they seem.
(As I mention my mother, who by the way I had a good relationship with at the time she passed away, I wonder at the motives of the HKS supporter that goes by the name of “butterfly” and why she posted recently on this blog, a false accusation about my mother who has been gone less than a year.)
This internet war concerned people that most of us have never met nor will we ever meet. Yet people have suited up for battle and will go in for the kill against anyone personally or professionally to injure the opposition. My intent is to tell the truth. The truth about this website and what happened to it and why. And now I continue…
Then came this as a reply to the last email that I sent to “R”, in which I asked the difference between me or another blogger posting the Sanders information.
“Would you like for Bonnie to BEG you not to put it up?
Also, “_” is on her own, she has a LOT of facts incorrect or plagiarized from books…
I give ppl credit in every single EMAIL to anyone… and darlin I am working with a LOT of ppl very high up in this case…
Do what you will, and let the chips fall as they may, and know by printing that when we are doing everything to make sure it is vetted properly and all of the dots are connected… It is my understand that lawyers, reporters and family member have ALL look at that writing and have all SAID, it can not be connected as factual.Why would you of all ppl want to hurt Howard and his chances by putting things ON TMZ, for leaking things in articles that could be CRUCIAL to him? I don’t get media –ores, never have and never will…
Too bad “QV” but your site and “_” is dealing with innuendos and guesses and no facts….
All very very sad…
Rose
cc: Bonnie”
So now according to “R” I am hurting Howard and his chances etc…I am a media whore and so is my site. Then she starts in on “_” who really did not have a lot to do with this site by then and was not a part of this issue and whose writing I only meant to use as an example.
So I fired back.
“Wow! You are really important “R”,
Just for your information ..this is what I put on TMZ and it was before I wrote the article and posted it to my site. (I don’t know about Texas but in Ohio you can walk into any board of health and get a copy of any birth certificate that you would like).
Anything other than what I am posting below for you to see… I have not posted anything publicly anywhere..”
Within a few minutes I received an email from Bonnie Stern. This is one of only about 6 to 8 that we had ever exchanged. Later I came to find out that she was in very close contact with “R” and so were other members of the Stern family.
“Hi Sweetie… Someone sent me this article… At this time, there are a lot of inconsistencies with the factual part of this information. I would really appreciate it if this was not posted until the facts are positively known to be true for sure… The information based on geneology.com cannot connect James Sanders as Virgie’s first cousin and O’Quinn is looking for a reason to sue anybody who makes false claims about his client.. I have already been threatened on a few occasions and I don’t want that to happen to you as well. I’m just looking to make sure nobody here has any unneccessary problems when they’ve been trying to help Howard…”
Thanks,
Bonnie
So, I wrote to Bonnie and apologized and the article stayed down.
Of course, so much came after the fact but I want to stop here to show what I found. Art Harris had written an article called “Is Virgie Arthur A Grandmother With A Past?“. The article was dated, April 22nd, three days after the blow-up.
During that same April 19th email exchange, I wrote to “R” that in my state, anyone could obtain public records concerning birth certificates.
“R” replied “In Texas birth certificates are held for 75 years before being released to help with genealogy and for 25 years for death certificates…. Yes we have a very stupid law that makes these “protected records”..Yea we are backward and that is a real shame…
Surfing the internet later, I found a Yahoo Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alt_Life_Politics/. It belonged to “R”. The post is NOW GONE but I copied it. I copied a lot of things.
Here she is giving instructions to “Art” on how to obtain the birth certificates for the very same family tree information that she told me (read in Part III) “ in fact some professional PI’s are trying to verify this so they DON’T get sued… “
I guess “R” didn’t think that I could add and subtract…..
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2). Rose posts to “Art” on this board on April 23rd http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alt_Life_Politics/message/285
Art,
Here is the info. to get the 2 birth certificates to see if we can connect that final dot…
What you might do a request for both or at least Mayselle Allman might be spelled “Mayzelle or Mae Cel l” Both the DOB would be the same… the birth certificate would let you confirm if in fact they have the same mother and father, then Virgie and James are “Kissing Cousins”
http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/vs/reqproc/certified_copy.shtm
Both of these women were born before the 75 year of birth certificates are consider under Texas Statute as “protected records” which would be 1932.
You can get a “Verification letter” of any birth sense 1903, however as the link shows it would not give you the needed info of do they have the same parents.
http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/vs/reqproc/verification.shtm
Now Jonas Caleb Allman and Ada (Winchester) Allman are the parents.
Jonas info is: b. Olethapta, Volta, Lethally, Lethargy” href=”#” __doClobber__=”true”>, Tex., 18 Aug. 1894, d. Avalon, Tex., 31 Oct. 1950, bur. Ferguson Cem., Limestone Co., Texas
Ada (Winchester) Allman is: b. … , Tex., 29 March 1900 d. Limestone Co., Tex., 24 Oct. 1982 [SSDI 462-86-8505]
(Birth Certificate to Order) Mayselle Allman b:Aug. 27, 1926 born in Leon County
(Birth Certificate to Order) Paralee Allman b: Jan. 16, 1928 [first name "Pearlie" in online Travis Co marriage index, http://deed.co.travis.tx.us/, cert. #275265, record vol. 46:337), b. Leon Co., Texas 16 Jan. 1928, d. McLennan Co., Texas 20 Dec. 1991, bur. Ferguson Cem., Limestone Co. [per Guy Perry; also online birth and death indexes; SSDI 454-42-4761] |
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“Hi Sweetie… Someone sent me this article… At this time, there are a lot of inconsistencies with the factual part of this information. I would really appreciate it if this was not posted until the facts are positively known to be true for sure… The information based on geneology.com cannot connect James Sanders as Virgie’s first cousin and O’Quinn is looking for a reason to sue anybody who makes false claims about his client.. I have already been threatened on a few occasions and I don’t want that to happen to you as well. I’m just looking to make sure nobody here has any unneccessary problems when they’ve been trying to help Howard…”
Thanks,
Bonnie
Bonnie seems genuinely concerned that no one gets hurt. That was very nice!
2). Rose posts to “Art” on this board on April 23rd
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alt_Life_Politics/message/285
This is the birth certificates over 75 years old that can connect the dots Message List
Reply | Forward Message #284 of 285
Art,
Here is the info. to get the 2 birth certificates to see if we can connect that final dot…
What you might do a request for both or at least Mayselle Allman might be spelled “Mayzelle or Mae Cel l” Both the DOB would be the same… the birth certificate would let you confirm if in fact they have the same mother and father, then Virgie and James are “Kissing Cousins”
http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/vs/reqproc/certified_copy.shtm
Both of these women were born before the 75 year of birth certificates are consider under Texas Statute as “protected records” which would be 1932.
You can get a “Verification letter” of any birth sense 1903, however as the link shows it would not give you the needed info of do they have the same parents.
http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/vs/reqproc/verification.shtm
Now Jonas Caleb Allman and Ada (Winchester) Allman are the parents.
Jonas info is: b. Olethapta, Volta, Lethally, Lethargy” href=”#” __doClobber__=”true”>, Tex., 18 Aug. 1894, d. Avalon, Tex., 31 Oct. 1950, bur. Ferguson Cem., Limestone Co., Texas
Ada (Winchester) Allman is: b. … , Tex., 29 March 1900 d. Limestone Co., Tex., 24 Oct. 1982 [SSDI 462-86-8505]
(Birth Certificate to Order) Mayselle Allman b:Aug. 27, 1926 born in Leon County
(Birth Certificate to Order) Paralee Allman b: Jan. 16, 1928
[first name “Pearlie” in online Travis Co marriage index, http://deed.co.travis.tx.us/, cert. #275265, record vol. 46:337), b. Leon Co., Texas 16 Jan. 1928, d. McLennan Co., Texas 20 Dec. 1991, bur. Ferguson Cem., Limestone Co. [per Guy Perry; also online birth and death indexes; SSDI 454-42-4761]
Great research!
you can still sign in to the yahoo thing , but i was afraid to.
If I was Rose I would hide in shame. If I was Art I would take my web page off. Because Art, Havana,Bonnie, and Rose are not the kind of decent people. Krista Barth has a bad rep. now. Wood is being made the laughing stock of America. An article was put on tmz today that said under oath Howard was asked if he ever gave Anna any prescription in his name. He was asked again. Howard said NO. His lies are starting to come out more and more. I think this is Roses downfall. Also Butterfly put her picture on myspace and now everybody knows what she is and how she looks. Why isn’t Stern charged with lying under oath at the Seidlin court. You are a brave person and a great person to post this QV. I also love the one about Art. I wish you would post this again.
Talk about back pain (ART)
QV – how long did it take to pull the knife out and have the scars healed yet?
Wow QV, I’m still digesting all that info……good job.
Boy, with “friends” like Rose and Havana you sure don’t need any enemies. Thanks for sharing QV.
confused Says:
Bonnie seems genuinely concerned that no one gets hurt. That was very nice
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Her biggest concern was in having Art Harris break the story.
It’s all getting clearer and clearer.
I think everyone broke tmz. Everyone was posting and it won’t work anymore.
OK let me get this straight. VA married a boy whose parent married one of VA’s parents. Is that correct? In other words VA was married to this boy BEFORE the parents married and these Stern people were trying to make Virgie look bad by suggesting that she married this boy AFTER the parents got married. And meanwhile there was NO blood relation at all anyway. Please correct me if I got this wrong – it is a TAD confusing LOL
On Bonnies myspace before she made to private, it said if you have questions about Howard, check with art harris, the bald truth. This tells what Art was.
Oh by the way where is Art? Down the drain. When you do bad things you get caught.
I can’t believe the misinformation about the TX records when TX is the most open state in the union when it comes to public records! And the most up-to-date! Either you were being purposely misled, QV, or others were behind the times when it came to genealogy research! Wish I would have known this then. Would have explained a whole lot, too. Ancestry.com has everything needed to confirm what the alleged PI’s couldn’t! It was very easy to verify the family connection through census records, even with the misspelled names. Any other state would have made the search a little more difficult, but it wasn’t. That’s why I couldn’t understand why the research was in question when it had been verified and then reverified to keep your site from incurring any undue wrath.
Again, wish I had known then. It still doesn’t change the fact that the public records found are the same and won’t change no matter what others want to believe. They are not a “smear campaign”. It is the maternal family tree of Anna Nicole Smith. We also did the paternal tree of ANS, the family tree of Billy Wayne Smith and started the tree for Dannielynn before the summer started and it was time for a complete and total break from everything ANS related.
Kimla= you are correct about being misled.
No genealogist here Says:
January 17th, 2008 at 1:15 am e…
I can not explain genealogy. The lady up above can explain it because it was her work, if she wants to.
# No genealogist here Says:
January 17th, 2008 at 1:15 am
OK let me get this straight. VA married a boy whose parent married one of VA’s parents. Is that correct? In other words VA was married to this boy BEFORE the parents married and these Stern people were trying to make Virgie look bad by suggesting that she married this boy AFTER the parents got married. And meanwhile there was NO blood relation at all anyway. Please correct me if I got this wrong – it is a TAD confusing LOL
You are correct amundo!
AlamoGirl,
VA never married the boy whose father married VA’s mother a couple of months after VA had the baby. He did get married shortly after the birth but not to VA. Others can dispute this, but it is factual. There is no marriage record or divorce record for VA and this young man, but there is a marriage record for the young man and another young lady.
So, the young man was not her stepbrother at the time of the birth of their child.
Well even I as no genealogist can see that this VA marriage with this boy has absolutely nothing to do with the ancestry of Anna Nicole Smith or of DL. This was a former marriage of Anna’s mother, that’s all and furthermore they were NOT RELATED and they were not even step brother and sister when they married – sheesh.
So this happened after some people suspected Larry and HKS made a deal? Also when they probably made a deal with ET?
So Art was grandstanding himself?
Rose and Art communicated through yahoo? haha
Guess that’s one way to not have to hand over any email, huh?
Wow…thanks for the chuckle QV.
oh ok so it was a “relationship” and not even a marriage…and VA had a child “out of wedlock” – like Nicole Ritchie and and Jamie Spears – is that right?
Is that yahoo site still operational? and is it safe to visit? Is it worth it?
You guys need to read that box on the end of the article real carefully.
Yes, the site is still operational but things have been removed. And its safe. Its a Yahoo group..
QV, do you have any ideas about the ISP stealing that the Sternoids did on TMZ? And the porn that they were able to send to posters thru TMZ??
QV, off topic****
Do you know anything about Bimbo?
She is always a taboo subject.
QV, do you know anything about the ISP stealing that went on at TMZ?And the porn that was sent to posters from TMZ? Did the Sternoids invade peoples privacy when they did this?
Yes, this child is relevant to ANS because it is her older half-brother. He belongs on her “tree”. The extended relationship of the brother’s father through marriage is a natural extension of genealogical research. Each relation leads to another branch that becomes another route to more research. The key to the process is to focus on one line at a time, which is hard to do in this case when the families “intertwine” so often. It became very interesting in a short time and not because of the family involved, but because the state offered up voluminous amounts of records to lead to a complete “forest”
QV, I can’t post a question about the ISP stealing on TMZ…why?
well, i got that part thur.
There are three caught in the spam trap. Ill release them now.. it does that a lot.. sorry..
Okay, I’m confused. Art’s article didn’t mention marrying of a cousin or marrying the young boy.
What exactly was the info about that they didn’t want you to post?
oh ok, thanks.
Sorry QV but I read that box three times at least and I don’t get it LOL…must be because I’m blonde
I did figure out though that they are NOT kissing cousins…..
Interesting. . . can’t wait for the rest of the story QV.
I agree with you TheRestoftheStory. The only concern of Bonnie’s was that Art broke the story.
Thanks QV for sharing and helping me to understand what all happened.
Anon: I did not know about “Bimbo”. Never heard of her.
Alamo: I do not know anything about IP stealing or porn being sent on TMZ either.
Another Reader: True, Harris article does not mention the cousin but “R” was showing “Art” how to get the information after she told me that professional PI’s could not get it. She told me in an email that unless the info is over 75 years old, it can not be obtained through Texas Dept of Health. Well, it was over 75 years old thus obtainable. A lie was told and discovered. Lots of them were.
was anyone from texas, when all of the texas came forward?? did they live there but intentionally mis-lead you?
I don’t know if this has been posted but I have had this link ever since Anna died.
http://www.genealogymagazine.com/an.html
No, no genealogist, they weren’t kissing cousins because Paralee and May were sisters. It can be figured out from there. If your mother’s sister has a son, what relation is he to you?
We didn’t just fall off the turnip cart around here. We know how we are related to our relatives….
Alf, yes exactly.
anom4, yes attempt to intentionally mislead.
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Here is another one:
http://www.progenealogists.com/annanicolesmith/aqwg01.htm
Qv, You were played the fool by these fools and came out a winner. Good for you!
7725. He’s talking about Art the Fart Harris
LOL
O’REILLY: And that’s really what it’s all about. You got 42,000 Americans dying on DWI’s, and then you got this one walking — driving around intoxicated. That’s serious.
That being said, Harvey Levin claims that Hollywood has an enormous addiction problem. You know, you and I were in the floodgates of the drugs in the late 60′s, early 70′s. Is it worse now than ever?
MILLER: I don’t know about the drugs. But I do know Hollywood has an addiction to being impressed by the innocuous. And the simple fact is this system out here is not going to serve this girl, because everybody is impressed by celebrity, even the legal system.
The judge out here isn’t going to throw the book at her. He’s going to throw his script at her. And they’re all like that bald guy who was working the Anna Nicole Smith thing.
Posted at 9:08PM on Jan 16th 2008 by Biddies
This page has something for everyone:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1798451/posts?page=1408
Read the whole page – people were asking about Larry’s family…
Go and read up!
thanks KIMLA but this is giving me a headache LOL
all I know is there is nothing nasty that went on with Virgie and that they were trying to suggest something bad went on and smear her reputation with untruths
The shocking thing at the time was the number of marriages and the Sanders marriage,of an @7 month duration before he passed away, in particular. Apparently most of us on here weren’t as nonchalant about multiple marriages as others seem to be now. We were taken aback and pitied ANS for having to grow up with multiple stepdads and assumed her mother was more than likely jealous of her because she was beautiful, so she was sent to live with her aunt. You have to understand that we were speculating as to why a mother would send away her young daughter but not her sons and we were mostly women and mothers doing the speculating. You can see the thought process employed here…. sympathy and empathy for ANS and wanting to spare Dannielynn the same trauma! ANS’s youth seemed to scream, “future stripper and addict”!
Call us naive, sheltered, self-rightous, but don’t say we were malicious because we were not!
And QV made sure we weren’t!
I too have worked up Vickies family history which proves to be very interesting. Not marriages of cousins ect. but other facets of her family who they were and where they came from.
QV again I thank you for a good article and the truth. I think that is all that everyone, no matter which side of the fence you sit on should want. Be it known from the months of posting here that there are those that are looking for their 15 minutes.
Thanks for the answer.
So Virgie didn’t have a child with a cousin?
Do you remember who posted an article about that?
The step brother marriage post was Art Harris, TMZ and Jane Devin.
I know for a fact that Jane Devin did not post a stepbrother marriage because I did the genealogy.
In fact, here and on Jane’s site proved the fact there was no marriage and there was no step sibling relationship at the time of the birth.
Can’t say anyone here started that, only that we disproved that.
kimla Says:
January 17th, 2008 at 3:02 am
I know for a fact that Jane Devin did not post a stepbrother marriage because I did the genealogy.
In fact, here and on Jane’s site proved the fact there was no marriage and there was no step sibling relationship at the time of the birth.
Can’t say anyone here started that, only that we disproved that.
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Thanks. So Virgie didn’t marry this boy and he wasn’t her stepbrother.
I’m still confused about the cousin thing. Who was supposed to be the cousin? I didn’t follow that aspect closely. Why is it such a deal, if no one reported that?
Sorry, lots to absorb.
Don’t know if QV wants to rehash that particular marriage (4th). But it was verified and proven and posted on an extensive family tree on JD’s site in May 2007. It can be found in TX public records and Ancestry.com. And has been argued about extensively on many blogs and forums. It is a correct family tree.
How come Art Harris is OFF the HKS story – any insight into that QV?
How come RoseSpeaks went private? Any thoughts?
oops that was me.
Hi, I don’t know the answers concerning Rosespeaks or Art Harris. Anything that I would say would be purely speculation…
Might I speculate as to why
it’s called conspiracy to defame.
Ooooooooooooops
Knock, knock
Someone ask Rosespanks if she got her “letter” yet
Thanks for answering Qv.
I am so sorry that this story has caused so many so much hardship. This was a story that was designed to hurt Virgie that is a grieving mother and grandmother. And instead it hurt all of the people that were trying to hurt her. I still can’t understand why anyone would want to hurt this poor woman. All she wants is to be able to visit her children’s graves and for her granddaughter to be safe. Why would anybody want to hurt this poor, poor woman? She wants the truth about the death’s of the folks in her family. I really, really think that this is a woman that deserves respect. That is the very least that anyone can do to someone who’s children died in a very horrible manner at such a young age. This is just to sad for words. I am really sorry that it happened at all. QV, I honestly believe that if you wrote Virgie a letter you will find her to be a very loving and forgiving woman. I believe when you do this you will find it very comforting. Thank you, QV for your honesty. And God Bless you.
I will remember you in my prayers.
Jojo Says:
January 17th, 2008 at 5:39 am
Might I speculate as to why
it’s called conspiracy to defame.
Ooooooooooooops
Knock, knock
Someone ask Rosespanks if she got her “letter” yet
Someone on TMZ posted your question, so I thought I would come here and answer.
Uh, not yet jojo, should I be expecting one? LOL
Anymore questions please address them on TMZ. OK?
Excuse me, here…
But I still haven’t found the ANS..wer I was looking for more than a year ago.
‘Is it OK to call someone a murderer on National TV?’
…that never was charged with murder, and never had a court trial?
The rest of this ‘stuff’ is like algebra, or alphabet soup, or stew, I think.
Oh, that word ‘stew,’ just reminded me of something I forgot to do.
Post from TMZ
7888. Rose is scared she will be sued by O’quinn and rightfully so…oops it may be too late! ha ha
ALSO Rose gives them Texas Jurisdiction! ha ha
Posted at 8:46PM on Jan 16th 2008 by HKS is a Squatter
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Is that true, if she was never paid a wage, or compensated in any way?
Thanks.
Posted at 3:13AM on Jan 17th 2008 by diva
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An answer could take her statement below into consideration..
“R” says, “QV, you just blew any protection I might have had under the “Attorney Work Product”.
This is probably a really dumb thing to say.
Reminds me of “Fear Factor.”
I’m so glad that their cover is being blown. It was a vile thing to do to a Mother and a Grandmother that lost two children. What they did to Virgie is contemptible and criminal. IMO
I read the box but still don’t really understand the lingo….
QV – “R” is correct. You probably did blow her protection under “Attorney Work Product”. Many thanks to you for doing so.
You see, it’s one thing to find something out and forward that finding to the Attorney to use on behalf of their client. It’s a whole other matter when one conspires on the internet to collect information solely for purposes of defaming a party and forwarding that collective information to an Attorney to use on behalf of the client. It is no longer protected as it is a collective conspiracy to defame another party.
Since “R” was not an employee/agent or paid individual for purposes of getting information, obviously she did so willingly without any expectation of compensation from the Attorney. In short, she is on her own as to the consequences of her actions.
Perhaps she might consider getting her own attorney at this point. She will no doubt need one.
Thanks again, QV. I am looking forward to the rest of the story.
Freida, I lost your question about “law” but I wanted to tell you that I can’t answer it because anything that I say may be used against me. :-)
QV
Hi Alamogirl, I sent you an email. If the addy is not correct, would you please contact me through the contact form in the upper right? Thank you..
QV
It doesn’t look like this blog was started to DEFAME ANYONE. QV and all or most of the bloggers said it was to STOP the Media fom DEFAMING Howard ON National T.V. As i am reading all of this on all the posts, it looks like, the researchers were looking for rebuttal of all the lies that OQuinn and Vergie were telling. IN COURT and to all the media that would have them in their programs. I think the media backing down as they did proves that. And i am saying lies, because they have been proven lies, by the court and by the research that was done. IT would be up to Vergies side to find the truth of what ever she thinks, Howard did, before going on national tv and saying all of these allegations with no proof. OQuinn started off on the wrong foot. in Flordia, HE may be a GOD in Texas, but outside of there he is a zip. He has too much baggage to have any credibility out side of that GOOD OL BOYS STATE> I am not siding with either side, i am just stating with what i have seen and read. I think we all should keep our mouth shut, until after the inquest, and see what the findings are. All of this bashing only makes Vergie and Howard look bad, because of the actions of their supporters.
sorry the N is missing in AND, [ spell check]
OK, QV. I got it.
To stop the media from defaming Howard would require information that proves that Howard was defamed. That would be the fair way to handle it. Instead, in order to stop the media from defaming Howard, some took that to mean to go ahead and defame Virgie.
If the media is lying about Howard, then prove it. By deflecting into a Virgie rant/defamation, that does nothing to make the point.
This is from TMZ and is funny as hell!
8004. Rose’s Sternoids act like empty-headed Barbie dolls. And QV is methodically twisting all their heads off to discover where the defect lies.
Unfortunately, the voice mechanism is located in the doll’s torso and the speaker is in the butt. Heads or not, when you pull the string, the headless toys still say, “Howard is God,” among a ton of different sayings. Each doll is configured to spout according to a predefined theme. This one talks about missing drugs:
“Anna will require a drug that will prevent convulsions when she O.D.s Thank you.”
“Danny will require a drug that will prevent convulsions when he O.D.s. Thank you.”
Still others:
“Subject” + “Verb” + “Ford Shelley/G. Ben Thompson.”
“Subject” + “Verb” + “O’Quinn Smear Campaign”
“Subject” + “Verb” + “Rita Cosby Witness Tampering”
“Subject” + “Verb” + “Virgie Arthur Fatso”
“Subject” + “Verb” + “Anna’s Wishes”
Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Rose Petal to the Metal is responsible for creating most of these cheaper by the dozen dolls. Fortunately, she didn’t have to be an “academician” to program the definitions of “Subject” and “Verb,” since she felt most would have acquired at least a ninth grade education.
Nevertheless, because Rose failed to define “academician,” many of the remaining dolls began to spontaneously self-destruct. Other have returned to the repair shop to remove the knots in their strings.
Santa’s elves have been watching Rose’s workshop with keen interest. Many shake their heads in apathetic dismay that Rose failed to foresee the number of defects her dolls would manifest during their use.
QV is quite busy in her quest to discover where the origin of the defects lie. To date, despite the number of heads she has twisted off, she has failed to find a brain among them–even a defective one. She may have to examine the speaker system, since the dolls emit most of their gobble-de-gook through their rear ends.
Perhaps QV will be kind enough to enlighten us as to where exactly Rose went wrong by posting another one of her articles.
We can only hope.
(wink wink)
Posted at 2:10PM on Jan 17th 2008 by EGO BUSTER
someone concerned Says:
January 17th, 2008 at 12:50 am
Also Butterfly put her picture on myspace and now everybody knows what she is and how she looks.
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and that matter’s why?
You guys complain that these people are so cruel and mean and will put spin on anything and you may be right. I don’t know. It hasn’t been my experience but doesn’t mean it hasn’t been yours but….. some of you guys are just as mean, cruel and master spinners. The above statement was uncalled for. I haven’t seen a post from Butterfly in a few days. I may have just overlooked it but why in the world are you going to her myspace page if she’s so mean and nasty. Sounds to me like you are awfully interested in what she is doing to care nothing about her and wish she would “just leave.”
QV
I may support Stern but I have always respected you. Thank you for taking the time to tell us your side of this.
The stories about Howard, were started by the interviews, with Vergie, and then OQuinn./ and without any evidence, the media ran with it. And vergie and OQuinn, did not or has not stopped, but the media, has since quit, doing the damage they were at first. Also I hate he way,that some of the Howard supporters and some of the vergie supporters, spread all of their own biased, opinions . that does not help a thing, or to bash each other, is uncalled for. Why don’nt they, prove what they want us to believe??. They just add so much confusion, to the mix. others personalities, have nothing to do with this. JUST THE FACTS MAM , thats all I want.
Rarma,,, it meaant, yhey had to show that Vergie and OQuinn were not telling the truth. SO that is on their heads not the posters. these articles are full of all the untruths that were told, Howard was the smart one, He hardly said anything in public, so he does not have as much to explain away. There are law suits out there against both of these people. THe one big, thing that i was turned off from Vergie, was when she went to the Bahama’s and petitioned the court for custodyof Dannielynn, because she was in danger staying with Howard. but when Larry was going to take Dannielynn, to the U>, Vergie again petitioned the court to have Dannielynn stay in the Bahama’s WITH HOWARD, because she was afraid Larry would not bring her back that tells me thT EITHER vERGIE, DID NOT BELIEVE DANNIE WAS IN DANGER, OR, IT DID;NT MATTER IF SHE WAS, JUST SO LARRY COULD NOT TAKE HER TO THE U.S.. She was also fined 3,000 dollars for filing that petition.
So – a bunch of nasty catty women banded together with the goal of attacking and degrading an innocent woman who lost her son and grandson, and now they’ve turned on each other like the vermin they are. Is this any surprise?
It doesn’t matter how badly you malign Virgie Arthur – the drugs that killed Anna were not in her name. Why purpose is there in attacking or even researching Virgie? Even if she’s made mistakes in her life, she is in no way responsible for Anna’s death. What kind of sickness causes people to be so inhumane and vicious, and to do it with such glee!
I think it’s hilarious that you’ve now turned on each other – you all should have been smart enough to realize that any person who could act in such a hateful way was not to be trusted.
Fools – all of you. Nasty, spiteful, ignorant fools.
anom4, you sure type an awful lot like BEVERLY. :-)
anom4 Says:
January 17th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Rarma,,, it meaant, yhey had to show that Vergie and OQuinn were not telling the truth. SO that is on their heads not the posters. these articles are full of all the untruths that were told, Howard was the smart one, He hardly said anything in public, so he does not have as much to explain away. There are law suits out there against both of these people. THe one big, thing that i was turned off from Vergie, was when she went to the Bahama’s and petitioned the court for custodyof Dannielynn, because she was in danger staying with Howard. but when Larry was going to take Dannielynn, to the U>, Vergie again petitioned the court to have Dannielynn stay in the Bahama’s WITH HOWARD, because she was afraid Larry would not bring her back that tells me thT EITHER vERGIE, DID NOT BELIEVE DANNIE WAS IN DANGER, OR, IT DID;NT MATTER IF SHE WAS, JUST SO LARRY COULD NOT TAKE HER TO THE U.S.. She was also fined 3,000 dollars for filing that petition.
This person was on topix the other night and it sounded like Beverly too. Really mean
January 17th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Rarma,,, it meaant, yhey had to show that Vergie and OQuinn were not telling the truth. SO that is on their heads not the posters. these articles are full of all the untruths that were told, Howard was the smart one, He hardly said anything in public, so he does not have as much to explain away. There are law suits out there against both of these people. THe one big, thing that i was turned off from Vergie, was when she went to the Bahama’s and petitioned the court for custodyof Dannielynn, because she was in danger staying with Howard. but when Larry was going to take Dannielynn, to the U>, Vergie again petitioned the court to have Dannielynn stay in the Bahama’s WITH HOWARD, because she was afraid Larry would not bring her back that tells me thT EITHER vERGIE, DID NOT BELIEVE DANNIE WAS IN DANGER, OR, IT DID;NT MATTER IF SHE WAS, JUST SO LARRY COULD NOT TAKE HER TO THE U.S.. She was also fined 3,000 dollars for filing that petition.
And Howard was fined 10,000 for the inquest. So there which is higher. Howards must have been worse.
January 17th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Rarma,,, it meaant, yhey had to show that Vergie and OQuinn were not telling the truth. SO that is on their heads not the posters. these articles are full of all the untruths that were told, Howard was the smart one, He hardly said anything in public, so he does not have as much to explain away. There are law suits out there against both of these people. THe one big, thing that i was turned off from Vergie, was when she went to the Bahama’s and petitioned the court for custodyof Dannielynn, because she was in danger staying with Howard. but when Larry was going to take Dannielynn, to the U>, Vergie again petitioned the court to have Dannielynn stay in the Bahama’s WITH HOWARD, because she was afraid Larry would not bring her back that tells me thT EITHER vERGIE, DID NOT BELIEVE DANNIE WAS IN DANGER, OR, IT DID;NT MATTER IF SHE WAS, JUST SO LARRY COULD NOT TAKE HER TO THE U.S.. She was also fined 3,000 dollars for filing that petition
This person sounds like Maryst to me. They keep posting trying to change peoples minds. It doesn’t happen tho.
I have never commented,
I just have read this
site from the inception.
I think that QV is telling her truth, and
I also see from this
that Rose decided to
give Art Harris the
information and told QV
something totally differnet.
I also enjoyed reading
Jane Devin’s site.
I will continue to read,
thanks for speaking up QV,
you must feel changed
forever – all out of
seeking the truth,
I can’t imagine it.
I just remem*er that I
could not comment here.
It was like a warzone.
RIP Anna Nicole and Daniel.
and I would *e willing
to wager, QV, and many
others, that they never
woulda thunk this possi*le?
(sorry key gone, I’ll retreat)
Cathi
News about ‘Flash,’
Remember to click that ‘link’ upper right…
e was no lie, in the inquest, Howards. petiton, was the same as Larry’s, so it was wasting the courts time. And I am not Maryst. I do not care if any one changes their mind. i am just stating what i have been reading. in the articles,. from depoa, or interviews.
there is no common sense here, NO one wants to hear the truth. if you did yOU would hAve seen it when the first lie was cast. you are hopeless. and please, the two worst nuts that come here, and i sound like them. . holy crap, i AM GOING BACK TO BOSTON WHERE THE SANE PEOPLE ARE
Freida, I do believe that is coming up. OQuinn at least called Howard K Stern a murder, on tv, and i believe in the court room in Flordia.AND when Vergie hinted on TV, I don’t know if there is any case.
First Vergie says Howard is too dangerous to have Dannilyn, and then she wants the court to leave Dannilyn in his care. I think that is the crux to that post.
Is it true that Howard’s suit against O’Quinn was tossed out today?
mizme Says:
January 18th, 2008 at 12:12 am
First Vergie says Howard is too dangerous to have Dannilyn, and then she wants the court to leave Dannilyn in his care. I think that is the crux to that post.
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This is just my opinion,but I believe Virgie wanted DL to stay in the Bahamas not necessarily with HKS, but with Larry and HKS since they had seemed to be living under the same roof.
There is a difference, if you look at it that way.
I sure would never want to predict the future and say to my baby you might be next.
Larry was going to the U.S.as soon as he got Dannilyn’s B.C. Vergie petitioned the court, to keep her in the Bahama’s with howard.Nothing was said, about Larry staying. it is all in the full deposition. This is the only true way to look at this.
Which suit against Oquinn??
There is nothing filed on Pacer regarding any throwing out of Howard’s suit against OQ in Florida. Yesterday Howard filed his answer to O’Quinn’s jurisdictional objection motion or whatever you call it. It was renamed today because of a mistake in terminology. Nothing else is noted at Pacer – the judge couldn’t have made up his mind that fast I don’t think. In any case there is nothing on Pacer indicated the tossing of this suit.
Reader: That is GREAT news! Thanks.
What the heck does VA’s marriages have to do with two unexpected premature deaths? Much ado about about nothing.
if it the suit he called Haowrd a murderer, that would be hard to throw out, because, Oquinn called him a murderer, right in the court, with the judge and all in there.Bad move “”"
i jus waz readin at some tampax.com, and said qv waz maybe with the sternies. like double agnt. i dont think so. they would be all over this place lik locus ,and you all would not have a chance. they stay awy so ppl won’t post here. if they don’t come and argue, they think every on wil stay awy.
Oh..roflmao..that is too funny!! Best laugh I’ve had all day! Tampax.com?
Thanks for the giggle boppinin!
Another reader Says:
January 18th, 2008 at 12:26 am
mizme Says:
January 18th, 2008 at 12:12 am
First Vergie says Howard is too dangerous to have Dannilyn, and then she wants the court to leave Dannilyn in his care. I think that is the crux to that post.
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This is just my opinion,but I believe Virgie wanted DL to stay in the Bahamas not necessarily with HKS, but with Larry and HKS since they had seemed to be living under the same roof.
There is a difference, if you look at it that way.
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If you look at it that way there is a difference. But, Virgie specifically asked the courts to order Dannielynn left in Howards care and to bar her from leaving the Bahama’s.
Tampax.com ROF LMFAO
Tooo funny …
QV you have done well yet again on this article KUDO’s to you!
From what I gather from watching and reading is that this magically piece of info might have been used to attempt to prove Vergie as some incest ridden bag lady that couldnt manage to raise another daughter. That could very well have been the reason the hags went wacko with the early postings.
I do find the utmost humor ih hearing how Rosepetal is being ripped apart. Iam sure she will sedate herself with a hot cup of imported java to help her poor feelings heal. HAHAHA serves her right for wanting to be the headhoncho really. The glory seeking doesnt stop nor start with just her though … and that I am sure will be followe din an article to come ..
Wasnt it “j” that scouted the able and willing to send out mass emails to show off the workings of her clever keyboard and those of many other members here? I recall that stirred the pot to a vicious boil.
Seeing how the members swarmed once togehter and then against eachother is just as funny as thinking everyone in that ANS saga are hero’s and without any blame …
I am sure that what goes around comes around to all those casting their shady claims to fame adn their want for acknowledgement will recall their own part … and hopefully see they are no better then the rest….
Again KUDO’s QV great work .. keep the truth vicios and strong!
ughhh the filter caught my post :(
Hello Jinxy, the only thing that I disagree with is the part about “J”. I was going to touch on that briefly in the next installment that will go up shortly. I have her original email and she only called for a letter writing campaign but had called the magazine in advance to ask them to please pay attention to the letters and for more information to check out the two sites. It really was a big to do about nothing.
Otherwise, great comment!
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