Lies Fabrications And An Overthrow.
Here are the latest documents from Pacer. I think you all will find it an interesting read. Then please come back and see my comments.
http://annanicoleandhowardkstern.com/050808_Supplement_plaintiffs_memo.pdf
http://annanicoleandhowardkstern.com/050808_Chrystal_Baker_Affidavit.pdf
http://annanicoleandhowardkstern.com/050808_Exhibit_Crystal_Baker.pd
As time goes by, more is revealed concerning not only the BEHIND THE SCENES conspiracy to defame anyone seen as harmful to Howard K Sterns interests, but the concentrated effort to overthrow my former website.
I see lies and fabrications from a very sick person. I see an internet complaint lodged with no evidence to back it up. Especially when Nelda got upset with me putting her in her place a couple of times last April 19th and asked me not to contact her again. No problem. I only contacted her a couple of times anyway. I fully complied except for a mass emailing that was sent to her accidentally. However, she is the one who was and has continued to write vicious articles and comments pertaining to me or my website out of the blue with no provocation.
Bonnie Stern, Nelda’s best buddy. You believed everything she said and threw away not only a brilliant writer but a man who made contributions to you that no one else could do. And then there was me. The one who started this whole movement for your brother and family. It was only by my efforts that you had a group of people supporting and helping you. Yes, it all came from my efforts. And for you people to send us to carry on “on our own” for no good reason other than the ravings of a lunatic kind of puts you in the same class. When I saw what you were capable of, I knew that you had no heart and you people were up to no good.
I was so right about you Bonnie and Howard K. Stern and Nelda Turner. One by one people are slandered with false accusations and labeled as untrustworthy and out they go.. Seems like someone wants the spotlight for herself and wants no one standing in HER way.
That pretty much became apparent when the Houston Chronicle mentioned your names and site name. Oh the bragging that went on was hilarious lol! And the attention seeking with lies about threats, high speed car chases and harassing phone calls THAT NEVER HAPPENED.
Quite amusing.
And now another valuable person has also been thrown into your trash can. I commend you Havana for coming forward and doing the right thing. Thank you for letting me and everyone that cares know about the corruption, scheming, lies and backstabbing that this group is capable of.
But I have to thank you too Nelda and Bonnie and Howard. So many things were bothering me anyway, but that is for another time. Another article. I saw the light. My site and what I did is an open book unlike you and yours. And the way you treated people because some senior citizen BDSM hag tells you to.. is despicable and just plain wrong. That was my first real clue as to the type of character that you Sterns have. And that would be NONE.
More to come when more truth comes out.
Oh and Nelda’s hags. HERE IS YOUR AUTHENTICATION in the latest filings! I wouldn’t be surprised if there yet may be another contributor after this.
No that's just a spammer but the IP says its from Naval Ocean Systems Center. Looks like someone is playing on govt computers. 
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Bless your sweetheart QV. I seen this happening a long time ago and I could not believe what I was watching when the BDSM site started the nasty about anybody that said a neg about Howard. I watched butterfly on TMZ. She about lived on there then. Bless Havana and I hope there are more coming from that horrible way of thinking that is destroying peoples lives. Art Harris was right along with Nelda. Cause and effect will destroy that site.
Thank you QV for a thoroughly entertaining lunch hour! Wow, McCabe certainly tells it like it is. I’m glad Havana is taking a stand.
Hi Lin! Wow, isn’t this wonderful???
Congratulations to both of you for being courageous and speaking the truth. Yes, I can see more people coming out of the dark and into the light. It’s all so evident how people that don’t bow to the master in every form are stabbed in the back and thrown under the bus in ruthless fashion IMO.
QV, I am sorry & you may remove my comment for my language but all I could think of when I read some of those documents was:
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WHAT A BUNCH OF RUDE, HEARTLESS BITCHES THEY ARE!
The whole lot of them, Rose, Bonnie, Howard, Krista & whoever else is/was involved.
I have forgiven you as you well know.
And the same goes for Havana if she is truly correcting what damage she might have caused.
I understand how sometimes you might get caught up in something & then wish like hell you hadn’t got involved.
Sometimes getting out of it is hard to do.
But standing up, walking out & then admitting what you did wrong regardless of what others might think of you as a person is courageous.
I, for one appreciate your honesty.
Havana’s now as well.
How those bitches over there can “dig up” dirt on a dead, young man in order to get Howard “off the hook” is cold, cruel, vicious, and inhuman.
Their deceitfulness, conniving, double-dealing, scheming & conspiring is pure out & our EVIL!
It would appear that this Rose person is just like Larry Birkhead, a limelight seeker!
I remember her comments over being mentioned in the Houston paper & on Neil McCabe’s TV interview & them all thinking this was some great accomplishment.
IMO it was NOTHING to be proud of!
A lady had lost her daughter & grandson under mysterious circumstances.
The deaths leave a lot of unanswered questions to anyone with half a brain cell.
Lies, after lies have been told & stories have changed over & over by BOTH Howard & Larry.
They openly trashed a dead, defenseless young man & are proud of the fact.
They have caused undue stress to a lady who had already had enough grief to last a lifetime.
I hope & pray that none of them ever find themselves in a similar place that Virgie is now in.
Not one of us knows all the details of Vickie Lynn & Virgie’s relationship.
Oh, we can all pop off & say that wouldn’t ever happen to us & our child, I would never turn my back on my daughter, I would have gotten her off of drugs, whatever…
But deep down there is NO ONE that can honestly say they have never had a period of difficulty w/ their child, be it minor or a major blowout.
Each person is different & each person handles things differently.
Virgie & Vickie Lynn’s relationship was no different than other mother/daughter problems.
However with Vickie Lynn’s fame & misfortune things escalated greatly & the situation wasn’t helped by someone w/ an obvious agenda.
So those same bitches can get off of their high horses & show a human side for once & think this whole mess over a bit clearer.
There are just too damn many unanswered questions & too many lies & cover-ups & Mrs. Arthur deserves to know what happened.
Not anymore of this bullshit offered by Rosespeaks & Co., Art Harris, Bonnie Stern, Howard K. Stern, Larry Birkhead & the likes.
And if Rose is truly ill as she keeps implying w/ her little comments about how she wants to spend her last days on earth then I would hope she would want to go meet her maker w/ a clear conscience.
I would not wish anything bad on anyone regardless of whose side they are on but it is hard to feel compassion for such a malicious, spiteful & hateful person.
They keep saying Howard won, Howard won every time they think he has gotten away w/ something.
What exactly has he won?
Two people are dead!
A little girl hasn’t been given a chance to know her grandmother.
Also they claim Virgie is after Anna/Dannielynn’s money.
She has made no claims against the estate, no filing against the will, NOTHING.
She has however sued Howard K. Stern & rightfully so.
Unless you Stern supporter’s conscience is speaking because you KNOW that ANY & ALL money Howard has is ANNA’S MONEY then I guess you are correct.
It is after all Anna’s money because we know he has never worked an honest day in his whole scheming life!
*Note this is all my opinion & from info gathering following this whole sorted saga.
My, my thank you for such interesting, informative reading. I appreciate you and all that you do……
Please stay strong, as the fight will be long….
Bamacat, my fingers thank you…..lol.
Hope you all have a wondeful Mothers Day!!!!!
QV, I don’t know how many times I can say Thank You without it sounding disingenuous, I truly hope that it does not sound like that, but Thanks for being a kind, caring, tender hearted person. We would all be broken hearted if you had no heart or conscience. Have a Great Mother’s Day. I pray for Virgie and keep her in my heart. Someday maybe justice will come for Anna and Daniel and Virgie. QV, you are a wonderful person.
I agree with you 100% Bamacat and I agree that some of them want to be noticed. I just loved your post and I see in my heart that not one on them could have a conscience to say bad things about a young man that they have no proof of and he is laying in a grave in another country that he didn’t want to go to.
Why would people communicate with Howards sister and with Krist Barth if they weren’t trying to get Howard out of trouble. What we seen in the Bahamas is IMO corrupt. I have never seen anything like it. Also in Florida the Chief quit his job after all the mess there. They will not tell anyone why. Don’t this put a question to why he quit. I hope Moe will come out with more.
I just got through reading everything, and I’m now more convinced that my opinions regarding Howie are dead on. I can’t believe how despicable all of these people are! This is probably one of the few times that Occam’s Razor just does not apply.
I hope all of you who are mothers have the most wonderful Mother’s Day weekend possible. OV, you, Havana and Virgie are in my thoughts this weekend. You’re doing the right thing.
And Neil, if you’re reading, you ARE our Sir Lancelot, and OQuinn is King Arthur. I’ve already seen a picture of him on his mighty steed…lol..and I hear chances are good, I’ll get to see you on yours! Have a wonderful and safe weekend!
Havana’s depo
http://annanicoleandhowardkstern.com/050908_Havana_depo.pdf
Mere words can not describe my feelings at this moment after reading Havana’s deposition at the injustice done to Anna and Daniel’s memory and to Virgie Arthur and Dannielynn all for the sake of one man who is at the very least an enabler.
It reminds me of when Virgie said that Howard had a dark aura. The whole conspiracy is very dark and overwhelming, although many of us suspected and felt as much more than a year ago. Intuition is being confirmed more daily.
Bless you QV and Havana. Happy Mother’s Day.
Thanks again you gracious ladies. I’m grateful for your comments. Grateful for the truth and hope that the wrongs that have been done will someday be corrected for a grandma and her granddaughter that need to be in each others lives.
To see everything that I have “felt” being confirmed leaves me deeply saddened. To think that a group of women were willing to play with the very life, heart and soul of a grieving grandmother/mother breaks my heart.
As we get ready to honour mothers everywhere I would ask you, Lin Wood to take a walk around yourself and try to look into the space where your heart should be. You should be ashamed, very very ashamed.
May Rosie and her Romantics have a Mother’s Day equal to the one that Mrs. Arthur has had to endure at the hands of the devil himself.
May the realization of the harm they have caused and the damage they have done rest heavily on their souls and may they be shown more mercy than any they ever were willing to show Mrs. Arthur.
Holding Mrs. Arthur in my heart and prayers today and always.
God bless all of you who have had to the courage to step up and embrace the truth. Namaste.
from my soul to yours
missmarple
QV: While I was truly saddened to be reading all that I was reading, you made my weekend. I shake my head thinking how Rose and her hags could possibly think that none of us knew all along what was going on and now we have the proof. Supporting someone and partaking in trying to cover up what someone has done and trash not only a grandmother but a dead young man are at two opposite ends of the spectrum. IMO they truly are conspirators if not more.
That letter to the Bahamas that butterfly wrote about Virgie made me ill. How sick of someone to write to a government with nothing but lies about a mother and grandmother who have lost two people and to inject herself into such a private matter with her own personal opinions whereby she is a complete stranger to any of them is beyond reprehensible.
Cat, I must say that your post expresses exactly how I feel myself.
Forgot to wish everybody a “HAPPY MOTHER’S DAY!”
I have had time to absorb the latest addition to these court filings and as confusing and heartbreaking it is to see all that has been done and is being done in the name of truth & justice … One must always remmeber that HINDSIGHT is PERFECT .. to sit back and see the errors and the misjustice is EASY while NOT in the midst of it all ….
I do not excuse ANYONES moves to curb justice nor will I ever JUSTIFY anothers lies to gain a right in the end .. but in the “heat of the moment” regardless of what side of the invinsible fence anyone sits upon during the tunnel vision many forget the objective .. there is no excuse ..but there is a remedy .. and QV and others have definately done what they feel is pence (sp) to correct the wrong they very well may not have seen during the heat of it all ..
Does that excuse what was done??
NOPE …
Could this move been deemed the RIGHT THING TO DO??
YEP….
In the end it is what each of us do to correct our wrongs in life that teaches us the lessons we so sorely need to learn .. not everyone is at the same pace but we should always encourage another to find their “right thing to do” and as much as we question the before and durin g… the after should be respected regardless …
So, as much as I gag and laugh at the romanctics and their want to spin and twist everything to their way of sight .. one must remembre they think they are right .. it takes the almighty to set them straight .. and see clearly …
So until then .. we must respect those we can and appreciate what has been done to date .. and hope that the rest will fall in place as it should …
Just my soapbox opinion .. who am I to judge when it is only I that knows the truth depths of my own sins … It is only I that can correct my wrongs and do the right thing as I see it to be … It is only I that has to face myself in the mirror …
Take Care
A HAPPY MOTHERS DAY to all that has ever loved a child in life & in death Xo
This is to the ladies that belong to Rose’s site that at one time belonged to QV’s . Ya know some of you still read here and the ones that dont will hear. Itssiple nothing hard.
With all thats coming out in talks, blogs, depo’s ect…… You once belonging to QV’s and now Rose’s do you believe Howard and Bonnie was never involved?
To some of you [cant remember exactly who] in chats all those nights when we discussed this whole saga and was told Bonnie might join us. Being given Bonnies email if you wanted to email her. Do you all say that Howard and Bonnie had no part?
Do you all say they had no part in Rose’s?
See I have a problem with the fact that Howard said he didnt know who Havana is. That to me questions his honesty. I begin to see things in a wider scope.
Being friendly with QV though we have differing opinions. I have even “squabled” with some on her site because of differences,but we worked it out and they respect the fact that though we dont agree and we see things differently I am a nice person with my own mind. I have always said ” Im taking it all in to form my own “opinion. Im still doing that.
It just bothers me that we know and I wonder do any of you really question that answer? Do you ask yourself why didnt Howard say he heard of her? Instead of…..well to put it blunty ….making excuses, blaming another of lying.
ooops should be “its simple”
Heck, Im going to be fair and ask you ladies here a couple.
We know its Virgie’s “side” and Howards “side”. Those on Virgies I know and respect your opinions of Both. What do you believe of
Jackie?
“Hollywood”?
FS & GBT?
Pol and Patric?
Rita?
I feel Jackie has lied and its hard to believe anything else.Her brother what he did to Anna is unexcuseable.
FS & GBT they were and are not Anna’s friends. They stole property that belongs to Danilynne. No matter what went on with the ouse they had NO right.
Pol and Patric Questionble now. To me they paid tribute to their friend. Now they write a book. I question and IMHO As they try to be objective I seen right through it. I have not read it but from what I hear it favors as much as it is not suppose to,sorry MHO.
Rita…oh boy nasty in one word. One of the things that bother me with Virgie why would you promote someone who said those horrible things about your child?
Someone Please tell Daisy Im just me…..
hey mishme,I have stayed away from posting here, because it hurts my heart, to see all of the things said about, the ones of us who worked with our hearts and souls, to do what we precieved as an injustice. And i still see it that way. Sorry, what ever else Howard may have done or will do, has no bearing on wht we were doing. Becaus we were helping Anna, and watching Vergie and Oquinn on TV lying about so much, was inexcusable as far as i was concerned. QVS site, was and still is an honest place. We never tried to twist stories around, and to ignore things that were important, to make rumors fit. QV would not do that. MORE that any thing i support QV, that does not mean i like vergie or OQuinn or the rest of that group , because of their lying and twisting and rumors that went flying from their mouth. AND do not ask what about HowArd doing that, because 2 wrongs does not make it right. To question someone about their lies, is different than telling lies your self. After reading the pdf of ahavana’s i can see how really stupid, some of my emails were, but i was real new, and i believed every thing i was told. bt i soon learned the only one I COULD BELIVE WAS QV. Even though we do not agree on this, site now, i honor her for her for standing up for her self, when she has been beaten down for months now. From the very posters, that loved her so much, and just did not go to Rose’s untill they could not take , not hearing sbout howard, they went there. I went there because i also wanted to keep helping Howard,but, as QV knows they hate me as much as they do her, so i had to quit, when they just started in on my truthfulness again.Same old same old. But i never got what QV and Jane had to go through. and are still going through. IF they would have just left them alone, and stopped, putting blame on them alone, this all would have never happened. QV was getting on with what she wanted, but the very vicious ex posters still tried to tear her to shreds. I have also said that if i was HOWARD I WOULD BE ASHAMED OF HAVING SUCH PPL, working on my cause. That also goes for Vergie. i wonder, how a person, can change in to a sweet wonderful mother, sister, wife, ect, after sitting on line all day with vemon coming out of them. I do not think you can be both, and i feel sorry for the families of these posters. I applaud QV for doing what she thinks is right, i applaud mishme for stickng close to her, i am not as good as that. I just hope all the bloggers will stay away, and stop villifying she and Jane. they do not deserve that Everything that was done on the old site was a wonderful true emotional drama that unfolded, with every link and email we opened. IT was like a whole town coming together for a cause, that as far as we were concerned was for dannielynn and Anna. sorr y this is long, qv u know about that little red x, us it if you want. Hapoy Mother’s Day Everyone
FYI while Pol and Patrik were house sitting .. they stole numerous items from Horizons to make gains of their stay …
The friends that surrounded Anna at such pivital points disgusts me … friends like that who the hell needs enemies?
And for them to go off and write any such tribute book to Anna almost begs for laughter … stealing and then writing and then selling … sounds like par for the course with these ppl … they must have used FS & GBT as role models …such sad pathetic souls .,.. just more names to add to the never ending list …
JMHO
Happy Mothers Day to all
One more thing, vivian wrote what she felt on this site and it is still here. On rosespeaks even if you just go and read you are banned. What a farce. Rose you should be ashamed.
Very VERY interesting.
It’s nice to see that it’s never too late to do the right thing as more and more people come forward with the truth.
This has probably been mentioned and corrected, but just in case—
On page 7 of the first filing of this entry, it says that the stepbrother thing appeared on TMZ April 19, 2008. Should be 2007, no?
Pixie
I didnt know about them stealing I never heard that.
I do believe they paid tribute to Anna when she died.Then went out ofthe limelight only to reappear with SURPRISE…a book. A book IMO on the outside to be objective and no favortism and clearly not.
One person who I dont think has profited or went out seeking their 15 minues is Kim W.she paid her respects and is gone.
Just read your comment Dee.
For one to feel remorse or shame would mean they would have to have some sense of right and wrong.
Sadly with this particular person they are too wrapped up in their own tunnel of nonsense they can not see how one sided let alone cultish that site has become. And to think the original intent was to seek informative facts and a safe haven to discuss BOTH sides.. apparently that idea was scratched …
Back to the shame and reason aspect … I do hope for “their” own well being that they eventually step back and reassess their stance and see the wrongs and DO the RIGHT THING to correct them .. might take a life time but I am sure many would appreciate the effort …
JMO
And FYI re: the Pol & Patrik, it was Bonnie that relayed to me that “that” had happened. WHile they were leaving Horizons after the funeral is when they scooped the goods.
Which may explain the hush hush they took there after. Regardless I will definately read their book out of curiosity but will definately take it all with a grain of salt ….
((((((((((((JMO)))))))))
Vivian: I appreciate the fact that you are supporting QV and Jane and I appreciate your honesty. I have no problem that other people honestly have a different opinion. That is the only thing I ask of anyone…HONESTY! As far as I am concerned this is second to all over. I will stay and support anyone and everyone’s right to be honest. I will continue to support Virgie Arthur. There really is no reason to continue to argue with these people. There is no use in arguing with anyone. I believe that everything is in the hands of Federal authorities and the jury and judge. I will stay and support anyone that is being attacked for being honest. I will continue to support Virgie. And I will continue to support you. As far as Howard K. Stern and Dr. Eroshevich; it is in the hands of the federal authorities and if they don’t do anything, oh well. I can’t fix the world but I can stand up for people that are under attack. So even though you and I do not see eye to eye I will support you all the way.
I hope you had a wonderful Mother’s Day and that everyone else did, also.
Vivian, Havana, QV and all of the rest of you that I may have offended, please forgive me. I must admit at times I have been quite aggressive in my posts. I did not mean to offend anyone that had an opinion different than mine; I just feel and felt very passionately about my point of view.
Vivian;
You said that you felt sorry for our families. But, my family loves me very much and the same passion that I express myself with on the boards, I use to defend my family. This is an example: We take a lot of our grandchildren on summer vacations with us. One year there was this pervert that was harassing my grandchildren by the hotel pool. Drunk and vulgar. He actually said something about one of my young grands having a sexy butt. I want you to know I was standing there waving my cane a lot like one shakes one’s finger at a naughty child and I let this man know exactly what I thought about him. I then called the office of the hotel and complained. I am a very protective person.
I have no intention of arguing that much with anyone any more. I will post the truth if anyone lies, and I will post a response if anyone attacks a biddy or Havana or Qv or even you. But, to me it is over. The people at Rose’s have been exposed. All of their lies and meanness has been exposed. If they continue to harass then they are just foolish.
So, I am sorry for the double posts but I did not apologise in the my previous posts.
I am sorry to any and all posters and bloggers that I have offended that truly have had an opinion different then mine. I haven’t changed my opinion but I never meant to offend any of you personally.
MM, I have always only wanted the whole truth to come out. Nor just what we precieve, or want to be the truth, . And the truth is QV”S site would have never been started , if Vergie and OQuinn, had not gone on national tv, and lied. That is a fact,It is fine to support anyone you want , but we all have to acknowledge, the things that they did that were not right. I mean, for BOTH SIDES. And none of the posters will do that, they totally ignore , what ever it is they do not want to acknowledge. that is why i am and alwys have been disliked, by the poster on both sides, but to me that is a compliment.I am on the side of the REAL TRUTH
Vivian:
Thank you for responding to me. I have worked on a reply for about 45 minutes and I guess it is late because I can’t make any sense. LOL! So, I will just keep it simple and thank you for your honesty for now. And you can be frank with me and I will like you anyway! I was trying to write and express why I like Virgie and O’Q but I can’t seem to do it without sounding argumentative and to be honest I feel like all of this has been blogged to death. What else can any of us say?
I think that if someone gave us a personality profile (both sides) we would all be much more alike than we could imagine. I bet we all have very strong protective maternal instincts. Remember when Larry first got Danielynn? All of us were all acluck like mother hens with advice about how to take care of babies. I bet he got more advice than any single father on the face of the planet. LOL! That is what drew us all in. A precious little orphaned baby. And it has turned into a big nasty blog war. And I do not think any of us would have ever got involved if we had any idea that we would have been drawn in to so much turmoil. But, I stay. But mostly to support QV and Havana and anyone that just wants the truth…like you. I am grateful for all of the new internet friends that I have made. They have enriched my life and have helped me through the most trying time I have ever had to face in my life. These folks are my Internet Angels.
Again, thank you Vivian for your response.
http://www.atzmi.com/TestIntroduction2.aspx?CID=2 ASK AND YE SHALL RECIEVE. I found it somwhat strange, after my posts on mother’s day I went back to ART’s site, and at the bottom of the FORUM COMMENTS, I found this. The post i wrote there was really for the one person who has 5 children, very young, and very foul mouthed.But I do not like to embarress anyone unless its necessary.i was trying to get her to think of her children, at leasrt on Mother’s Day, i felt she should be a little nicer. so to find this , What DOES YOUR SOUL LOOK LIKE TEST WAS just what God ordered.SO i also posted it on ART”S omments
Vivian,
I commend you for continuing to be friends w/ QV despite a difference of opinions.
In most cases each of us are seeking the truth.
Many it seems have strayed & continue to turn a blind eye when things are discovered that expose the truth, all for the sake of a chance in the limelight.
They refuse to believe that their part was not merely “blogging” but an out & out campaign to do harm to a woman they did not know.
For that matter ANYONE who stands in the way of the real truth coming out becomes a target.
Perhaps they see this as a sport of sorts & want to “win” at all cost, losing integrity, honor & character along the way.
Not to mention the harm caused to innocent people who merely wanted to know the truth no matter how upsetting & heartbreaking it might be.
Daniel deserved an honest inquest w/ no swaying of evidence or circumstance.
Anna deserved medical treatment or at least the dignity to not die in a filthy bed w/ dried feces & vomit.
Virgie deserves knowing all of the details & not a bunch of covered up facts & outright lies.
Dannielynn deserves to know her mother’s family for that is a part of her regardless of how Larry & Howard would like to distort the issue.
You cannot love a child too much & children need all the love they can get in this cold, cruel world.
Mrs. Marple,
You are a very wise woman.
We all get carried away with our feelings in this case & make mistakes, myself included.
If your thoughts & your post convince one person to look a little deeper for the truth then your efforts have been worthwhile IMO.
I truly love reading your post as I know they are always thought provoking.
They usually point out something one of us might have missed.
Together each of us complete the puzzle so that hopefully one day soon the whole picture can be viewed & justice will prevail.
Your friendship & those of many of us fighting for the truth is the “good” that has came about when otherwise we might never have “met’.
So if the Sterntologist say we are “paid bloggers” I suppose they might be right…we have been “paid” with some wonderful, kind, caring friends that will be there if the other needs them.
Mishme,
I am going to go out on a limb & give you MY opinion.
I can’t answer for others but here are my thoughts on the people Anna had surrounding her. I think all were strange, wild, crazy, out for what they could get for the most part.
Definitely not someone I would associate myself with as I think friendship is a two way street. Not all giving, not all taking. You are there for one another for the good & the bad, through thick & thin…yes, almost like a marriage. LOL
Jackie: I think her & Anna were friends. I think she loved Anna & Daniel. Their friendship was strained (if at all) after Mark was prosecuted. I think she spoke some truth & some fabrications in her interviews. I am sure she knows a lot more than she told & therefore why she spoke so strongly against HK$. Perhaps she thought if she told enough Howard would be found out??
“Hollywood”: I believe his “ice bath” story. I think him, Anna & Howard all did drugs together. I believe Howard was jealous & trumped up the charges & “removed” Mark from Anna’s life. I believe he loved Anna & Daniel. Is he 100” honest? No. However I do believe he is aware of what Howard is capable of & the true extent of what went on in Anna’s life. I do think it is disrespectful for him to be selling Anna’s memento’s but maybe he needs the money after being incarcerated. The dressing up like Anna is creepy & disrespectful but considering the whole strange bunch of characters Anna had around I suppose it is the “norm”. LOL Overall I think he would fight for his true friends & be there if they needed him. I feel if no interference from Howard & Anna was still w/ Mark her & Daniel might still be alive. He at least has the good graces to know that family is important & Virgie is to be respected as a mother.
FS & GBT: I believe Anna & Howard used them to finance their way w/ promises of paying them back from the Marshall money. Anna was more than likely “pimped” out to get closer to G. Ben’s wallet. Both Anna & Howard’s doings, I would suspect. More than likely all parties were involved in some shady dealings…you know “birds of a feather, flock together”, same as Alex Goen (the TrimSpa character). Horizon’s was not a gift & was stolen from G.Ben & Ford. I don’t know if Anna suspected Howard before her death & told Ford to get her things. Maybe they suspected him after seeing him making arrangements w/ ET instead of “grieving” & decided to go & get documentation to prove his guilt??? Perhaps they knew that Howard had his family going to Horizons to remove certain items & he wanted to insure Dannielynn had irreplaceable things in safe keeping??? I am sure they know a lot & I commend them for at least showing up at the inquest & reporting what they did see. Are they 100% honest? No. I say this because they should have never did the deed for Anna to gain residency. IMO that was a bit shady. Perhaps they thought they were helping??? I applaud them for bringing out the clown tape & the picture of dead Daniel. For to me those speak volumes against Howard. But when Geraldo (I think it was) asked Ford what did he want to happen to Howard & he said, “I don’t want anything to happen to Howard” I was upset. To me he should have said, “I want Howard to be fully investigated & for him to tell the truth, whatever that may be”, or something to that effect.
Pol and Patric: I think they truly cared for Anna & Daniel in their own unique way. I hear their book is a tribute to Anna so I applaud them for that. I think they know a lot & should have told all they know & IF anyone is too blame for either death let the chips fall where they may. If no one is responsible then at least ALL secrets are known & no hiding & distorting of facts. I think Pol & Patrik have illusions of grandeur about what they are & who they are. (Bobby Trendy come to mind for anyone? LOL) I think the online records & what Red has posted speaks volumes for their character. It has been reported that they, themselves stole from Anna after her death. That could be true or else why the change of pictures from one publication of their book to the other (ultrasound, etc.) Regardless, I don’t think the ultrasound picture should have been included as it is what I would consider “private”. Are they 100% honest? No!
Rita: I commend Rita for writing this book. I wish she had done more research beforehand so she would not find herself in the position she is now in. I am sure she did get lots of good, truthful info from those inside soon after Anna’s death. I believe the nanny’s original story that Lincoln aired last April was a true & accurate description of inside Horizons & Anna & Howard’s “relationship” & Daniel’s death. I think Rita was looking for “proof” after the book & was set up. Lincoln & the nanny’s had a whole different story before someone or something ($$) got to them. IMO I think Rita went w/ her gut as she was inside the “media machine” when all of this went down so she more than likely knows a lot more than we do on this case. Is she 100% honest? I would say probably as honest as her sources & the info they gave her. If not for the Nanny-gate Rita was on a roll to expose what I & many others think is the truth. The same as all of this w/ Bonnie, Rose & all of the lies they are covering up. This time instead of Rita’s book exposing the truth we have QV & Havana. We are seeing an instant replay of what they did to Rita now being done to QV & Havana with the lies, slandering, hatefulness, etc. aimed towards them. Bless you, QV & Havana!
And to those that ask why Virgie could support Rita after she wrote a book trashing her daughter…see I don’t think of it as “trashing her daughter”. Most of it was common knowledge & the truth surrounding Anna’s life. Virgie could not change how Anna lived her life but she loved her just the same. Besides I would support anyone who helped get the truth out there so that the slow wheels of justice could start rolling. If it was my family & Satan himself offered to help I would take him up on the offer.
All of this is my opinion.
Sorry QV, to have taken over the board w/ this long post but it was asked what “Virgie’s” side felt about these characters. LOL
I don’t necessarily classify myself as being on a side but if fighting for the truth is Virgie’s side then I am mighty proud to be a part of it.
At one time Virgie & Larry BOTH sit on this side & wanted to know the truth about how Daniel & Anna died. Then Larry saw the “pot o’ gold at the end of the rainbow” & decided the how’s & whys of the deaths were no longer important. Not even important enough for his daughter to one day know the WHOLE truth.
Bamacat I agree with you on everything but there is more.I would like to know why Pol and Patric do not get along with Howard. they do not talk. I am wondering if they wrote the book to try to save what is left of the company or what ever it is. Howard is for Howard in my opinion and will try to destroyanybody that gets in his way of the money he thinks he deserves. this is just my opinion too.
“The people at Rose’s have been exposed?” Are you kidding? What I see is a few emails that have been seriously edited. Emails that are missing outright. What about those? Aren’t any of you interested in see the WHOLE, UNEDITED versions of those emails as well as the ones in between that were left out?
I believe Howard knew people were blogging about him and Anna. I DON’T believe he had direct contact with anyone. I don’t care if he was telling Bonnie to get this or that. Virgie Arthur made her bed on national T.V. and now she can’t stomach to lie in it. To Bad. I don’t feel sorry for her. The look of satisfaction and the coy smiles during her interviews after both Daniel and Anna’s death, paint a different picture other than a greiving woman.
NEWS FLASH
There was no conspiricy. Everyone was doing what they wanted to do. VERIFYING TRUTH of stories and rumor’s that were out there. Don’t any of you realize that all this so called deflamation was NEVER used by Howard or anyone. Check Rose’s site. SHE has NEVER written anything resembling deflamation of Virgie. QV did though and when she didn’t recieve the spotlight from Howard and his family after her mother’s death, suddenly she flips? Right? Tell me another one. Havana flips because Howard didn’t recognize her monkier? Why would he? He never had any contact with her. So she flips and then gives a statement full of lies. Don’t you just love how McCabe had to put her in place several times throughout? It’s quite funny actually.
Chrystal: “oh McCabe, your such a meanie!!”
McCabe: “lets try to keep this professional.”
The step brother and cousin story that QV posted were true. How is that deflamation? Virgie’s young son shot himself in the head with her gun is true. Deflamation is where? Deflamation doesn’t arise out of the truth.
You know it really makes me wonder how these people that post the terrible posts are from Roses site and on that site you see NO NO neg about Howard. I am glad you have ips so you know who these people are. I am glad you are not into BDSM and hatred like Roses site is. IMO
Uh oh Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
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I’m leaving this up so people can see how nasty and vile you are. You know nothing.
How dare you bring my dead Mother into your slam fest.
What kind of creature are you? I made my decision based upon the FACTS that were forthcoming over time. And I thank God that I have a mind of my own that can think independently of a mob.
P.S. The step-brother story is NOT TRUE!
Thanks Dee. This one is a coward. They are using AOL in which the IP is shared by many users. If need be, it can be found out who this is though.
QV,
That is the difference between you & Rose, you give the opposing side a chance to comment.
All that is allowed on Rose’s side are a bunch of “YES” men.
How dare she allow anyone to have a differing opinion.
QV, BamaCat, and Vivian:
I am going to have to apologize, but there is no way I can stand idly by and allow the posts that are being posted the last few days go unanswered! In a few short days QV has been attacked, Virgie Arthur has been attacked, and I have been attacked with nothing but lies. It is all just the same old broken record spinning again and again and I guess it is not going to stop. I guess I am in this thing to stay!
I am sick and tired of arguing the same old things over and over and over but Rose’s people continue to attack Virgie Arthur, QV, me, and everyone else with falsehoods!
I am very angry at some of the lies I have seen posted the last few days and I must say I am having to tie my fingers into knots to keep from going ballistic. I cannot begin to say how many paragraphs I have deleted from this post. So I will keep it simple and just say I am not going to stand by and watch people attacked with lies.
Now, someone on Rose’s site accused me of threatening someone. The person that accused me of that is a LIAR! Plain and simple. I have never, ever threatened anyone in my life.
From now on anything Rose or her blind followers say, I am going to consider their statements lies unless they have anything to back up their statements.
Now a little shout out to Lin Wood. I read in an old Houston Chronicle article that Rusty Hardin complained about Anna Nicole calling Pierce Marshall a murderer. I believe the exact words I read are: “Vickie also denied causing E. Pierce Marshall emotional distress. Apparently in Vickie’s mind, falsely
accusing someone of murder and attempted murder in public in front of his family and in stories carried
worldwide without one shred of evidence doesn’t cause emotional distress or discomfort to the person she is
falsely accusing.”
I believe the evidence I have seen indicates that Howard K. Stern is at the VERY LEAST An ENABLER that happened to have been responsible for the deaths of two people that died from drugs in HOWARD K STERN’S name. That he was the only one that could have been responsible for their deaths, and that he has millions of motives. OPPORTUNITY, METHOD, AND MOTIVE. I believe that Howard K. Stern intentionally m******d Daniel and Anna. I base my believes on changing stories, screwy timelines, missing drugs from the Hard Rock Hotel. But, then that is my opinion and I am not being paid to go on A CURRENT AFFAIR to state it. I believe the exact quote from Rusty Hardin to Anna Nicole on the stand was: “You get back at Pierce and get paid for it.” Now, I wonder who made the arrangements for that little CURRENT AFFAIR deal?
Now there will be a swell of “HKS was found not guilty” posts. But then we know that is not true and even if he was found not guilty. OJ Simpson was found not guilty but I still believe that OJ Simpson is a murderer. Obviously a panel of jurors in a civil case came to that same conclusion.
I did not dig up trash on victims and witnesses but I did study the time lines, and the autopsy report and the flip-flopping statements of HKS and I came to my conclusion and there is no doubt in my mind someday a jury will have an opportunity to study ALL of the evidence. Until that day I guess I will just stay on the Internet voicing my opinion.
Uh Oh,
Would you be so kind as to post the “missing and unedited”, E-Mails that you are referring too, so we can see for ourselves what you have referenced as to the whole truth. Yes, I want to see it most definately. It would appear that you have copies since you know about alledged “editing” or “missing” documents. I am sincere about this request and it would be greatly appreciated. TIA
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