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		<title>By: tiny</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 20:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is either or both Speers and Jackie on Rita&#039;s witness list?  If they are could he have filed a lawsuit against them so that they could not be witnesses in Rita&#039;s trial or if they remain witnesses Woody can try to discredit any of their testimony saying it is biased because they themselves are being sued by Howard?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is either or both Speers and Jackie on Rita&#8217;s witness list?  If they are could he have filed a lawsuit against them so that they could not be witnesses in Rita&#8217;s trial or if they remain witnesses Woody can try to discredit any of their testimony saying it is biased because they themselves are being sued by Howard?</p>
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		<title>By: QV</title>
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		<dc:creator>QV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 06:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Targets Says:
September 3rd, 2008 at 9:21 pm e

The question to ask yourself is, “Where is Stern the most vulnerable?” The biggest potential indictment Stern will face is double homicide. There isn’t one decision that Stern’s team makes that isn’t, in some way, a preemptive strike against the murder charges.
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Utterly amazing that Stern would sue witnesses at this time in the game. I will be anxious to see how this is handled by McCabe and team in relation to the other suits. Someone on Topix said that Woody is not in the suit yet but he and Barf will be asking for pro hac vice because the suit is in Los Angeles. As many saw Howie state numerous times, he would not sue Hatten because she has no money. Wonder what changed? What does he want from her? Does she even live there anymore?

I think its excellent that Virgie and her family have stayed out of the press. Less to be bashed about. They sing the same old song. They insult her appearance or anything else. I love the one where they complain that Virgie should sue Larry for visitation. If she did, they would be on fire with anger and insults. Yes... Virgie is being smart. Let it play out in the courts. Let the judges see the Los Angeles suits for what they are. Plain and simple harassment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Targets Says:<br />
September 3rd, 2008 at 9:21 pm e</p>
<p>The question to ask yourself is, “Where is Stern the most vulnerable?” The biggest potential indictment Stern will face is double homicide. There isn’t one decision that Stern’s team makes that isn’t, in some way, a preemptive strike against the murder charges.<br />
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Utterly amazing that Stern would sue witnesses at this time in the game. I will be anxious to see how this is handled by McCabe and team in relation to the other suits. Someone on Topix said that Woody is not in the suit yet but he and Barf will be asking for pro hac vice because the suit is in Los Angeles. As many saw Howie state numerous times, he would not sue Hatten because she has no money. Wonder what changed? What does he want from her? Does she even live there anymore?</p>
<p>I think its excellent that Virgie and her family have stayed out of the press. Less to be bashed about. They sing the same old song. They insult her appearance or anything else. I love the one where they complain that Virgie should sue Larry for visitation. If she did, they would be on fire with anger and insults. Yes&#8230; Virgie is being smart. Let it play out in the courts. Let the judges see the Los Angeles suits for what they are. Plain and simple harassment.</p>
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		<title>By: Mish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>QV Says:
September 3rd, 2008 at 4:17 pm 
Oh..before I go Mish. Of course you know how they got your IP and I can guarantee it was not from me. 
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Of course I know it was not you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QV Says:<br />
September 3rd, 2008 at 4:17 pm<br />
Oh..before I go Mish. Of course you know how they got your IP and I can guarantee it was not from me.<br />
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<p>Of course I know it was not you.</p>
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		<title>By: Carole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it was a major shock when so many of us stood up and were not afraid to say....something is very wrong with the picture Howie is paintig.  I assume Howard thought that most Americans were like him....caring only for himself and how little he needs to do to be comfortable well off.  He didn&#039;t think anyone would care about a quiet, shy young man whos mother was a promiscuous drug addict.  He thought we wouldn&#039;t care if this addicted person overdosed.  He obviously thought it would be a 60 day news item and then we would move on.
We are his worst nightmare next to Virgie, O&#039;Quinn and McCabe.  We won&#039;t forget, and we won&#039;t back down. We will not turn our backs on a maligned mother and grandmother who is fighting to bring the truth to light, and light a fire under homicide investigators, IMO. 
Does anyone wonder why Lin Wood is not Howards attorney in the Speer/Hatten matter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it was a major shock when so many of us stood up and were not afraid to say&#8230;.something is very wrong with the picture Howie is paintig.  I assume Howard thought that most Americans were like him&#8230;.caring only for himself and how little he needs to do to be comfortable well off.  He didn&#8217;t think anyone would care about a quiet, shy young man whos mother was a promiscuous drug addict.  He thought we wouldn&#8217;t care if this addicted person overdosed.  He obviously thought it would be a 60 day news item and then we would move on.<br />
We are his worst nightmare next to Virgie, O&#8217;Quinn and McCabe.  We won&#8217;t forget, and we won&#8217;t back down. We will not turn our backs on a maligned mother and grandmother who is fighting to bring the truth to light, and light a fire under homicide investigators, IMO.<br />
Does anyone wonder why Lin Wood is not Howards attorney in the Speer/Hatten matter?</p>
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		<title>By: Targets</title>
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		<dc:creator>Targets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The public will soon find out the conspircy Quinn and TX group was doing.

Posted at 12:59AM on Sep 3rd 2008 by Ms Marples on nutcase
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This is from the post to Mrs. quoted in the first slot above.

You can safely toss the rest of the person&#039;s quote away as empty tripe because of the one line I allowed to remain.

This poster&#039;s argument is solely based on the premise that there has been a conspiracy among those who are not supportive of Stern.

The poster&#039;s premise is hogwash.  I think if we were involved in a conspiracy to commit something (the poster fails to say what we&#039;ve all conspired to accomplish), we would know about it.

All I know is that they love to throw the conspiracy accusation at us now that they know there is such a thing.  And they only know such a thing exists because their ring leader (et al.) has been accused of it.

Garbage in, garbage out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The public will soon find out the conspircy Quinn and TX group was doing.</p>
<p>Posted at 12:59AM on Sep 3rd 2008 by Ms Marples on nutcase<br />
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<p>This is from the post to Mrs. quoted in the first slot above.</p>
<p>You can safely toss the rest of the person&#8217;s quote away as empty tripe because of the one line I allowed to remain.</p>
<p>This poster&#8217;s argument is solely based on the premise that there has been a conspiracy among those who are not supportive of Stern.</p>
<p>The poster&#8217;s premise is hogwash.  I think if we were involved in a conspiracy to commit something (the poster fails to say what we&#8217;ve all conspired to accomplish), we would know about it.</p>
<p>All I know is that they love to throw the conspiracy accusation at us now that they know there is such a thing.  And they only know such a thing exists because their ring leader (et al.) has been accused of it.</p>
<p>Garbage in, garbage out.</p>
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		<title>By: Targets</title>
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		<dc:creator>Targets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question to ask yourself is, &quot;Where is Stern the most vulnerable?&quot;  The biggest potential indictment Stern will face is double homicide.  There isn&#039;t one decision that Stern&#039;s team makes that isn&#039;t, in some way, a preemptive strike against the murder charges.

Where will most of the evidence come from that will lay the way for the DA in California to go forward with his indictments?  Right now, it appears to be Virgie Arthur&#039;s defamation suit against Stern.

Stern&#039;s team is laying the foundation for witness discreditably in the event a murder indictment is in the shoot.

Discrediting Virgie Arthur is at the top of their list and they are trying to do that with Wilma and bloggers.

Every other potential witness that could inform a jury about Stern&#039;s behaviors and motivations are now the targets of Stern&#039;s team.  Jackie Hatten, Mark Speer are among the first in a long list of witnesses that we will see or have seen named in suits.  Every time someone talks, either through a deposition or otherwise, it&#039;s all the more Stern&#039;s team can use to buttress their client, even though it means having to twist, misconstrue, and manipulate the testimony offered in depositions.

Stern&#039;s team is desperate and they will go to extremes to protect their client.  They won&#039;t stop in their pursuit to find anyone who may even offer the minutest shred of evidenciary hope they can use to help Stern achieve a victory in the long-term:  to beat a murder rap.

The immediate goal, of course, is to destroy Virgie Arthur&#039;s case and they&#039;re going to try to use bloggers to do it.  This case isn&#039;t about the deaths of Anna and Daniel.  It&#039;s always been about the Marshall fortune.  I don&#039;t think Stern and company ever expected the deaths of Anna and Daniel would set off a chain reaction of major proportions.  They underestimated the power of the public on the Internet.  They thought by controlling the media and Internet outlets that they could stifle those of us who cried out for justice.  Weren&#039;t they in for a surprise?

Should we begin to panic?  Are we in some sort of trouble?  Are Stern&#039;s people going to start coming after bloggers in order to destroy Virgie&#039;s case?

Absolutely not.  We are all in a good place.  Virgie&#039;s case is sound.  Whether it&#039;s God, Fate or Karma, good souls are always rewarded because of their good deeds.  Our hearts and our souls are in this for all the right reasons.  Be strong, keep the faith, and always know the Good are the victors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question to ask yourself is, &#8220;Where is Stern the most vulnerable?&#8221;  The biggest potential indictment Stern will face is double homicide.  There isn&#8217;t one decision that Stern&#8217;s team makes that isn&#8217;t, in some way, a preemptive strike against the murder charges.</p>
<p>Where will most of the evidence come from that will lay the way for the DA in California to go forward with his indictments?  Right now, it appears to be Virgie Arthur&#8217;s defamation suit against Stern.</p>
<p>Stern&#8217;s team is laying the foundation for witness discreditably in the event a murder indictment is in the shoot.</p>
<p>Discrediting Virgie Arthur is at the top of their list and they are trying to do that with Wilma and bloggers.</p>
<p>Every other potential witness that could inform a jury about Stern&#8217;s behaviors and motivations are now the targets of Stern&#8217;s team.  Jackie Hatten, Mark Speer are among the first in a long list of witnesses that we will see or have seen named in suits.  Every time someone talks, either through a deposition or otherwise, it&#8217;s all the more Stern&#8217;s team can use to buttress their client, even though it means having to twist, misconstrue, and manipulate the testimony offered in depositions.</p>
<p>Stern&#8217;s team is desperate and they will go to extremes to protect their client.  They won&#8217;t stop in their pursuit to find anyone who may even offer the minutest shred of evidenciary hope they can use to help Stern achieve a victory in the long-term:  to beat a murder rap.</p>
<p>The immediate goal, of course, is to destroy Virgie Arthur&#8217;s case and they&#8217;re going to try to use bloggers to do it.  This case isn&#8217;t about the deaths of Anna and Daniel.  It&#8217;s always been about the Marshall fortune.  I don&#8217;t think Stern and company ever expected the deaths of Anna and Daniel would set off a chain reaction of major proportions.  They underestimated the power of the public on the Internet.  They thought by controlling the media and Internet outlets that they could stifle those of us who cried out for justice.  Weren&#8217;t they in for a surprise?</p>
<p>Should we begin to panic?  Are we in some sort of trouble?  Are Stern&#8217;s people going to start coming after bloggers in order to destroy Virgie&#8217;s case?</p>
<p>Absolutely not.  We are all in a good place.  Virgie&#8217;s case is sound.  Whether it&#8217;s God, Fate or Karma, good souls are always rewarded because of their good deeds.  Our hearts and our souls are in this for all the right reasons.  Be strong, keep the faith, and always know the Good are the victors.</p>
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		<title>By: einy</title>
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		<dc:creator>einy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rose made up the &quot;hacking&quot; crap to justify illegally displaying IP information.
If she was &quot;hacked&quot; then the proper and legal course is to turn the information over to the proper authorities.
But Rose thinks she gets to be judge, jury and executioner.
But when you can&#039;t even decide when you can get out of the corner, I guess you don&#039;t have any idea where the bounderies are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rose made up the &#8220;hacking&#8221; crap to justify illegally displaying IP information.<br />
If she was &#8220;hacked&#8221; then the proper and legal course is to turn the information over to the proper authorities.<br />
But Rose thinks she gets to be judge, jury and executioner.<br />
But when you can&#8217;t even decide when you can get out of the corner, I guess you don&#8217;t have any idea where the bounderies are.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>QV Says:
September 3rd, 2008 at 4:17 pm 
Oh..before I go Mish. Of course you know how they got your IP and I can guarantee it was not from me. I know you are a member of Art Harris forum. He was intimidating people about IP’s and so was Rose who chose IP’s and was able to put names to them even though they were not members of her site or known to her in any way shape or form and called site visitors “shameful hackers”. She must have gotten a charge out of the “shameful” part which p’d me off for associating ALL OF US who made the “wall” with BDSM lingo. Hackers was bad enough. Hacking is a crime..that no one committed. I have more about that too but java is calling me..

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They really are one sorry sad bunch! 
Hacking, I say HA HA to that, I just learned how to use my ATM card the right way.
I did not know what an IP was until I was threatened by Art and someone told me Rose was displaying my IP, Name, Location like I gave to the Jerry Lewis Telethon over there.
Honestly, these people are insane.
Just one question for Art:
Did you get Leon&#039;s IP when after the court documents were given to you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QV Says:<br />
September 3rd, 2008 at 4:17 pm<br />
Oh..before I go Mish. Of course you know how they got your IP and I can guarantee it was not from me. I know you are a member of Art Harris forum. He was intimidating people about IP’s and so was Rose who chose IP’s and was able to put names to them even though they were not members of her site or known to her in any way shape or form and called site visitors “shameful hackers”. She must have gotten a charge out of the “shameful” part which p’d me off for associating ALL OF US who made the “wall” with BDSM lingo. Hackers was bad enough. Hacking is a crime..that no one committed. I have more about that too but java is calling me..</p>
<p>*********************<br />
They really are one sorry sad bunch!<br />
Hacking, I say HA HA to that, I just learned how to use my ATM card the right way.<br />
I did not know what an IP was until I was threatened by Art and someone told me Rose was displaying my IP, Name, Location like I gave to the Jerry Lewis Telethon over there.<br />
Honestly, these people are insane.<br />
Just one question for Art:<br />
Did you get Leon&#8217;s IP when after the court documents were given to you?</p>
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		<title>By: QV</title>
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		<dc:creator>QV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh..before I go Mish. Of course you know how they got your IP and I can guarantee it was not from me. I know you are a member of Art Harris forum. He was intimidating people about IP&#039;s and so was Rose who chose IP&#039;s and was able to put names to them even though they were not members of her site or known to her in any way shape or form and called site visitors &quot;shameful hackers&quot;. She must have gotten a charge out of the &quot;shameful&quot; part which p&#039;d me off for associating ALL OF US who made the &quot;wall&quot; with BDSM lingo. Hackers was bad enough. Hacking is a crime..that no one committed. I have more about that too but java is calling me..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh..before I go Mish. Of course you know how they got your IP and I can guarantee it was not from me. I know you are a member of Art Harris forum. He was intimidating people about IP&#8217;s and so was Rose who chose IP&#8217;s and was able to put names to them even though they were not members of her site or known to her in any way shape or form and called site visitors &#8220;shameful hackers&#8221;. She must have gotten a charge out of the &#8220;shameful&#8221; part which p&#8217;d me off for associating ALL OF US who made the &#8220;wall&#8221; with BDSM lingo. Hackers was bad enough. Hacking is a crime..that no one committed. I have more about that too but java is calling me..</p>
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		<title>By: QV</title>
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		<dc:creator>QV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a huge decision by the judge. Obviously she put a lot of thought into it with 65 pages clearly outlining what Woody, Barf and co. can have access to. Also the attorneys came to agreements themselves about the privilege logs a few weeks ago. Woody asked for things he clearly was not entitled to and got shot down... I have more to say but gotta go make more coffee...lol!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a huge decision by the judge. Obviously she put a lot of thought into it with 65 pages clearly outlining what Woody, Barf and co. can have access to. Also the attorneys came to agreements themselves about the privilege logs a few weeks ago. Woody asked for things he clearly was not entitled to and got shot down&#8230; I have more to say but gotta go make more coffee&#8230;lol!!</p>
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