This question and answer was recently sent to me from a site that answers legal questions pose by internet users.
Is it Illegal for a Site owner to share IP addresses?
Just recently I found out a site owner was sharing members IP addresses with some other member who was collecting info for another site. Would any of you consider this illegal ?? Sharing info without the members knowledge ??
Answer:
Definitely without prior permission and knowledge—it’s illegal.
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Towards the end of last year (2007) when the Bahamian Inquest into the death of Daniel Wayne Smith was ongoing threats against posters on Topix and TMZ escalated to the point where concerns about personal safety drove many off the boards. While it would be easy to simply explain the increasing savagery of the attacks as the work of one or two mentally unbalanced poster, nothing happens in a vacuum. As the ferocity of the attacks increased, advocates for Howard K. Stern were busy publically:
- Threatening exposure of bloggers IPs and personal information.
- Targeting specific bloggers whose opinions they did not like.
- Making inaccurate claims that they had “sources” that informed them that Mr. O’Quinn’s law firm employed paid bloggers.
- Demonizing those with dissenting viewpoints in order to make “targeting” them more palatable.
- Making ludicrous and unfounded claims that sites were being “hacked” into in order to justify the posting of personal information on public web sites.
- Telling American citizens that they would be arrested if they entered a public courtroom in the Bahamas.
These are just some examples of the tactics employed by those who knew better in order to “control and manipulate” others. As the wild and unfounded accusations of these site owners amplified, the threats from bloggers took an increasingly uglier tone. It’s called cause and effect. The following is an example of just how bad things deteriorated towards the end of November, 2007
NO I will not stop posting, you must be ANTINOID MUPPET.
If you do not feel guiltly of conspiring to hang HKS without
foundation and proof, you have no problem.If you are a muppet, I will find you and hound you until
Lin Wood has all of the muppets rounded up and prosecuted,
no matter which site you post on.
UNDERESTIMATE ME at your peril.
Posted at 4:00AM on Nov 26th 2007 by the antinoid muppetsSee the above threats. Although she would like to claim Mrs.
Marples framed her, the original posts–emails and ISP's can be
reviewed by TMZ. Despite the fact she changed her name to try to
confuse the issue, we have your original posts. We expect TMZ to
follow up with you, reviewing your ISP and contacting the provider.
An explanation is not only warranted but expected.
I would encourage others to copy these posts as well. This isn't the first time this person has done this–but this is the first time I've seen her say she has bullets with peoples names on them. I'm also curious if TMZ has breached confidentiality by supplying email addresses and ISP's to people who are making threats.
To the poster who is making threats–stop.
Posted at 7:37AM on Nov 26th 2007 by XXXXXXXXYOU have been reprorted for your threats. Your IPS address will be sought and charges will follow.
Stop whoring on this site, BS is not and will not be tolerated VIRGIE.
Posted at 6:51AM on Nov 26th 2007 by Virgie's antinoid Muppet has a gunNO! not on drugs. NO! not been drinking. NO! not stupid. If I was anything, your derogatary remarks make me feel superior to your defensive offensive defence.
Mrs Marples you are a renowned liar and a conspirator. You have been reported to you know who and are being watched. See you in court DUMBASS.
Posted at 6:32AM on Nov 26th 2007 by another antinoid MUPPET more to follow
Around this same time regular posters on this site (TMZ) and others expressed a growing concern that their personal information, obtained through the harvesting and sharing of IPs, was being given out to unauthorized persons. When this was first brought to our attention we did not understand either the technology or the law involved. Had we of “known then, what we know now” we would have taken the concerns of these posters much more seriously.
About a month ago multiple sources within the “Stern Camp” came forword with information that; IPs were indeed harvested at the request of Rose Turner and others; that specific posters had indeed been targeted for attacks and that information was indeed being shared and compared. They told us that this culled personal information had subsequently been turned over to unauthorized third parties. According to people with first-hand knowledge of what was taking place during that period of time, Bonnie Stern, Gary Stern, Kirsta Barth and Lin Woods office all expressed a desire “to shut these people up” and make them “stop talking about Howard” so that the story would die down. We have been told that all the information gathered was being relayed to Mr. Stern.
Of that, those on the inside have absolutely no doubt. The example that we were given concerned a specific, frequent blogger on TMZ that was there at the beginning. We’ll call this poster “Miss S”. “Miss S” was the focus of attention from within the “Stern Camp” because of her ardent defense of Ms. Arthur and others. “Miss S” was eventually driven off the boards because of the unrelenting and vicious personal attacks leveled against her. When they finished with “Miss S” they moved on to other susceptible bloggers.
We were also told that specific bloggers were assigned the job(s) of going, for example to TMZ in order to “even out the boards.” Just because we don’t have a “smoking gun” (although first hand accounts from people who where involved comes pretty damn close) doesn’t mean that any of us have to park our logic at the front door. We saw what happened to “Miss S” on TMZ and later on Topix. We’ve read the e-mail exchanges between Rose, Bonnie and Kirsta Barth. We’ve seen the threats of “we have your IPs” made public on both Art and Rose’s site. We know when we’ve personally been the target of “swarming” attacks by “Team Stern.” We are aware of how many computers mysteriously “crashed”. We’ve exchanged stories, and even when we’ve disagreed amongst ourselves (which lately has become increasingly obvious) we’ve all understood that there are times to put our differences aside because the issues are bigger than momentary slights and disagreements. (I’m not attempting to minimize the personal damage that anyone may have suffered).
This new information confirmed our worst suspicions and consequently we decided the take a closer look at these allegations and others. You want to talk about “a chilling effect”? While Kerry contacted law enforcement agencies questioning them as to the legality of harvesting personal information from IPs, I began researching the law in this area. The results of both our inquiries surprised, angered and alarmed us.
Kerry asked her local police department, the F.B.I. and the Secret Service if it was legal to harvest the IP address’ of posters, to display and share that information with unauthorized entities. The response was unequivocal, all three agencies informed her that it was not legal to do so. She was informed that this was an element of identity fraud and theft. They also expressed concern that IP address’ were being displayed on public internet sites, where anyone could obtain access to them. Their advice was to immediately notify her internet provider that this was happening, then to change her IP address, her e-mail account and all passwords.
Meanwhile I started researching the law in this area and was surprised to discover that the courts had examined this very issue and that a body of case law, though sparse, already existed pertaining to it.
The Federal Cable Communications Policy Act of 1984 at 47 U.S.C. §551 requires in situations where the issue in the disclosure of personally identifiable information.
(1) . . . a cable operator shall not disclose personally identifiable information concerning any subscriber without the prior written or electronic consent of the subscriber concerned and shall take such actions as are necessary to prevent unauthorized access to such information by a person other than the subscriber or cable operator.
(2) A cable operator may disclose such information if the disclosure is—
….(B)… made pursuant to a court order authorizing such disclosure, if the subscriber is notified of such order by the person to whom the order is directed
In simple terms Federal Statue prohibits the releasing of personal information tied to the IP address of an internet user unless the user himself authorizes the release or a court order is obtained by person(s) seeking the information.
In pervious articles here on QV’s site, I tried to lay out the current case law regarding the release of personal information tied to IP address’. This is only a brief summery of what I discovered. For more detailed information I would direct you to the previous articles and the specific case law cited. According to what I was able to ascertain a procedure has been codified by the courts when anyone seeks to obtain the personal identity of a poster through his/her IP address.
- The person seeking the identity of the poster must go before the court and obtain a subpoena requesting the information.
- The person seeking the information must satisfy a “summary judgment standard” in order to compel the identity of the anonymous speaker. This requires the person seeking the identity of a poster to show that there is a genuine issue of “material fact” involved and that there is enough evidence to justify why the case should proceed to a jury.
- The court then makes a decision whether or not a subpoena is justified in this particular case.
- If the court feels that there is sufficient cause, then a subpoena is granted.
- The subpoena is served on the internet provider to release identifying information concerning a specific poster.
- The provider then notifies their customer that a subpoena has been served asking for their personal information. The provider must do this before complying with the subpoena and supplying the requested information.
- The customer is then afforded the opportunity to appear before the court and ask for a “motion to quash” the subpoena.
- The court either grants or denies the request for a motion to quash.
- Depending upon the court’s decision the information is or is not released to the requesting party.
Bear in mind that because this is all taking place within the framework of the judicial system the right to appeal is always present. That’s the information that we as laymen were able to obtain. That was the easy part. The difficult part was in trying to figure out exactly what happened. What could we prove took place vs what we believed took place? How does the law apply to the circumstances that we found ourselves in? What legal redress was available to those who believe that their right to “Free Speech” was violated?
I do know that despite the constant threats that have been relayed on almost a daily basis about impending lawsuits and the statements by site owners that IPs had been turned over to “relevant” agencies, nobody I know has ever been notified that anyone was seeking to obtain personal information. I am assuming that should that be the case, one would be notified of such a request and afforded the opportunity to appear before the court to defend their right to free speech and request a motion to quash.
The threats that IPs were being harvested and turned over began to appear almost immediately in posts on Internet sites covering this story.
Posted April 26, 2007 on TMZ
Hey guys, don't be crying for donations when there winds up being a class-action suit for defamation on all the blog IP numbers. They've already submitted what is being written here already to the court. If you think they can't find you, think again..
Posted at 10:17PM on Apr 26th 2007 by MYOB
From this point on we will have to make a number of inferences concerning what did and did not happen. “Inference is the act or process of deriving a conclusion based solely on what one already knows.” (WikiProject Logic)
As many of you have already discovered during this journey, getting at the truth has been a difficult, if not impossible task. At times it seems as if everyone lies even when the truth would benefit them the most. That being said just because we are inferring something doesn’t mean that it isn’t true. It simply means that we do not have a “smoking gun” YET.
Inferences are made when a person (or machine) goes beyond available evidence to form a conclusion. An inductive inference is one which is likely to be true because of the state of the world. Unlike deductive inferences, inductive inferences do yield conclusions that increase the semantic information over and above that found in the initial premises. However, in the case of inductive inferences, we cannot be sure that our conclusion is a logical result of the premises, but we may be able to assign a likelihood to each conclusion. (Blackwell's Dictionary of Cognitive Science; Johnson-Laird, Philip N., Human and Machine Thinking, 1993.)
In preparation for this article, I asked a regular poster whom I have always admired for her honesty and integrity to just write down what happened to her. The following was her response to that request, reprinted with her permission.
I have posted as Windi on TMZ since the day they put Anna in the ground in the Bahamas. In July there was a personal reason that I posted a few times as "Redbud" and only a few very close friends knew that was me, then I went back to posting with the name Windi.
About the 25th or so of October I was on Timesquaregossip.com and I just happen to stumble into the "Celebrity Chat" using the name "Redbud". I was met at the door with a private message from someone asking me who I was. I told her that I am Windi from TMZ, she told me ok she liked my posts and I was allowed to stay. Well on October 31, about 9 p.m. I was told by two friends that people had been in the Chat earlier threatening others.
At the same time Rosespeaks regulars kept posting on TMZ that there was going to be a bombshell. We waited and waited for something to be said but the link to her site just kept being posted on TMZ. Well one day I put on the muck boots and decided to see what Rosepeaks bombshell was all about, so I entered that site. Was there maybe a total of 3 minutes and left. Never even tried to navigate to anywhere or do any posting whatsoever. But a short time after this I was put on Rosepeaks "Wall of Shame" for being a hacker or something.
They used the names of Windi and Redbud. The only way that someone could of put those two names together was to confer over ip numbers and names. I also believe that the bombshell was a way to conspire to get people on a site so that they could match numbers and names. This was an invasion of my privacy. They stated what State I reside in also. I have never been back nor do I ever plan on trying to access that site again.
In early November Rose was still welcoming visitors to her site and encouraging them to enjoy and make use of the legal documents contained therein.
Lynderella says:
November 7th, 2007 at 1:11 pm
We have so many REGULAR VISTORS AND GUEST here today … 11 AS I’M WRITING THIS!
THIS IS A BIG “HELLO” TO THOSE WHO JUST COME BY TO CHECK OUT THE BLOG, READ ARTICLES OR UPLOAD COURT DOCUMENTS AND/OR ROSE’S DEBUNKING OF THE BOOK.
GO AHEAD AND JOIN AND TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF ROSE SPEAKS SITE!!!!
HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY!!!!
By the end of November the by now “famous bullit threats” were issued against Mrs. Marple on TMZ.
Wow. I’m up to three bullits in the chamber. I might have it fully
loaded before the sun comes up.
Got your ISP too Hmmmm. Good f*cking luck seeing Chrstmas!
Posted at 5:24AM on Nov 26th 2007 by Another meatmuppet blogger whore speaks
On December 19, 2007 Art Harris and Rose Turner both posted articles on their respective web sites that specifically mentioned that the IPs of bloggers had been obtained and “turned over”.
From Art Harris: Don Clark, former Head of FBI, Houston, now private investigator Art Harris
“We have also obtained IP addresses and various names bloggers used to attack Stern,”
From Rose Turner:
Let’s Play Where’s Don Clark and Wilma Vice Today!
“Another deeply disturbing bit of Mr. Harris‘ article is about the paid bloggers, and the numeric IP addresses. Didn’t TMZ change their policies saying that no matter what name you used for a post they did track your numeric IP? I thought I had read somewhere that TMZ had said they would release that information if requested by lawyers.
I am glad as per Art Harris’ new article that someone was brave enough to keep that information and then turn it into the right people
Art’s fans were enthusiastic in their support of this “adventure” and some posts led many to believe that site owners were cooperating with Mr. Lin Wood and/or other legal representatives of Howard K. Stern.
Joni Says:
December 19th, 2007 at 11:52 am
I’m glad the IP’s of the bloggers were obtained and hope that Howard gets every last one of them.
This enthusiasm for outing the personal information of bloggers spilled over onto TMZ that same day.
TMZ:
… HER PAID BLOGGERS and the now known and evidentiary ISP's of Heinie Einy Hitler, Craze Faye, Miss Marbles et al.
Posted at 10:33PM on Jan 19th 2008 by OMG
At the same time Rose Turner was posting that she knew visitors were coming on her site and copying information and that as far as she was concerned “it was no big deal”.
Comment by Rose — December 19, 2007 @ 10:38 pm
Thanks Lauren for cluing me in here, I feel kind of out in left field when it comes to
TMZ posters, know we have some here to read and copy but no big deal.
That day and the next Rose Turner tried to explain why IPs were harvested and saved.
Rose says:December 19, 2007 at 10:38
… those ISP’s were being collected not to sue anyone but to turn it over to the right enforcement dept.
Rose Says: December 20th, 2007 at 1:40 pm
I don’t read that ANYONE intends to sue bloggers, just the ones that have advocated violence or harassment will have the numeric IP’s turned over for that to the right “officials”.
In the beginning of January Rose Turner first published the threat to put a “wall of shame” up on her site with the locations and IP’s of visitors.
Rose says: January 1st, 2008 at 5:33 pm
It means someone tried to hack in to our new site, and the security caught and kept the numeric IP addy of the attempted hacker… We can put a “hall of shame” up with the IP’s of the hackers like some ppl do.
Mrs. Marples, fed up with the threats posted on “The Bald Truth”. Mr. Harris responded and instead of alleviating her shared fear that IP were being harvested he reinforced it and again insinuated that somehow TMZ was involved
Art Harris Says: January 3rd, 2008 at 3:35 am
Mrs. Marple:With all due respect, your note is perhaps the whackiest, most paranoid epistle I’ve yet to read on the internet.
I’m not surprised, though, since you sound truly disturbed — brainwashed by the company you keep? Suggest you ask Wilma about the IP addresses attached to the so called threats you say you’ve reported to the FBI. Doesn’t matter how many bizarre and anonymous names they use to create the laughable impression you allege, it doesn’t erase the fact several came from the same computer, sources tell me.
Doesn’t Wilma realize the FBI is smart enough to quickly learn the same people you claim were threatened just may turn out to be the very folks who are making the threats? Shame. At least that’s what some people say who have tracked the messages you mention to identical IPs.
Even your favorite website has grown suspicious, as you will soon find out, and are well aware that you are using their web space to play ridiculous games, causing true harm to innocent people, often lapsing into anti-semitism and hate, and they are tired of it and don’t want to be held liable for shenanigans or bigotry. My, oh, my, what will the judge say when he hears about this one
All this was taking place at the exact time that Rose Turner kept posting and reposting that she had a number of “bombshells” concerning the Anna Nicole Smith case. “Bombshells” that were exclusive to RoseSpeaks and would “change everyone’s opinion” about the case".
This promise of surprising revelations was posted on other sites where bloggers interested in the events had been posting their opinions and direct links to RoseSpeaks were put up. This went on for a long period of time. Curious members of the public with a known interest in the story where being invited and enticed to visit RoseSpeaks in order to obtain this startling information. .
Rose says:
January 4th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
In answer to the question about the deposition is of Howard about jurisdictional issues ONLY… however, McCabe will there, Lin Wood, and the lawyers for CBS and KPRC….
In addition, there is a bombshell or 2 to hit this week! One is the infamous Clown Video and what they DON’T want you to know (team VA that is). Then another bombshell that will rock the very foundation of what ANYONE that can use that gift they each have called a brain, will leave ppl reeling and reassessing a LOT of things about some of the ppl in this mess.
Rose says:
January 4th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
I am waiting on two news sites since this is a discussion blog to break at least one of the bombshells today… If they don’t then this tiny blog of just all of us will break it. I have known about it for a few days and it makes me sick, angry but explains SO much about who is who, what is what, and a why, with even a question did this add to Anna’s death…
I promise it is WORTH the wait, but if not today, then here tonight.
RoseSpeaks
January 5, 2008
Memorial Stone Announced on Jan. 3, 2008
We had also announced yesterday that there would be two bombshells reported, one that would rock the very foundation of what you thought about several people and groups involved in this Greek Tragedy. I have been asked where to look for these reports and would tell you to stay tune to the larger media print news on the east coast. One is hopefully out today, and I expect the other to be out soon after that.MARCH 10, 2008
Rose says:
March 10th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
#65 Yes and once again I have been asked and have agreed to respect that request… will it be the New York Post page 6 this time like the last bombshell on Virgie had an agent 6 days after Daniel died… I can hope but not sure if it will be them or not… I just know it will be this week before the Inquest begins next week.
March 19, 2008
RoseSpeaks (the bombshell)
The Mystery of the Clown Video Revealed as Shown on Geraldo by Ford Shelley!
We were glad to sit on the story although it was very hard to do here at Rose Speaks. Several months ago, we here at Rose Speaks were asked to help with the Clown Video after seeing it air on Geraldo’s At Large Show on Fox News. The only thing an investigative reporter had at that time…
Who wants to bet me that the “investigative reporter” asking for help was Mr. Art Harris himself?
At the end of January, 2008 the promise of future bombshell revelations was followed by the actual posting on RoseSpeaks of Rose’s wall of shame in which she mentions obtaining and comparing IP from other sites such as TMZ:
Rose says: January 20th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
OK BLOGGERS THE LIFE THREATS STOP NOW AND WE DO HAVE YOUR ISP’S
RIGHT NOW WILMA VICEDOMINE FROM COMCAST HOUSTON IS ON THE SITE
RIGHT NOW WHACK A MOLE FROM COMCAST EUGENE OREGON IS ON THE SITE NOW
RIGHT NOW KERRY FROM RCN IN JAMAICA PLACE MA.
RIGHT NOW FAYE FROM Embargo ISP WHEN ROUTING THROUGH NORTH CAROLINA, AND TYLER TEXAS MOST OF THE TIME
RIGHT NOW WENDY/RED BUD FROM ARKANSAS
We have also had lawyers from multiple states we do have the ISP’s the correct authorities are being contacted and the threats on lives stop NOW!
If we have to, we will close the blog down and move it to a more secure area of the site.Rose says: January 20th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
ADD EEINSTEIN FROM FLORIDA ALSO, ALL SOFTWARE INCLUDING TMZ LOGS AND KEEPS ISP NUMBERS NOW GO AWAY CHILDREN AND PLAY IN ANOTHER SAND BOX
At this point I would like to state categorically that up until that date (January 20, 2008) I had never visited Rose’s site (not one single time). I have never used a proxy and I have only one e-mail account on AOL that has remained the same for years. What Rose Turner posted at 6:02 pm on January 20, 2008 is an out right lie. The only way that she would have known that I lived in Florida is because I had naively posted that information on TMZ at the beginning of this saga. Ask yourself, if I know for a fact that she lied about me and put out my personal information under a false pretext then who else was she lying about and why was she lying? Later that same day Rose put up the “wall of shame” again and it was left in place for quite some time, reinforcing and repeating the original lie by stating that “Einstein from Florida is on the site”. That is a complete and utter fabrication on Rose Turner’s behalf. Rose Turner is a liar, period. I am more than prepared to substantiate THAT FACT in any court, anytime, anywhere under whatever circumstances that would necessitate it.
Rose:
OK BLOGGERS THE THREATS ON OUR VIA OTHER NOW AND WE DO HAVE YOUR IP’S AND LIKE THE SAYS WE HAVE NO THEM OVER TO THE RIGHT AUTHORITIES.
Edited by Rose on April 23, 2008.
WHACK A MOLE FROM EUGENEOREGON IS ON THE SITE
KERRY FROM JAMAICA PLACE MA AND WHEN SHE ROUTES THROUGH OTHER AREAS WE HAVE THOSE TOO
EINSTEIN FROM FLORIDA IS ON THE SITE
FAYE FROM ROUTING THROUGH NORTH CAROLINA, AND TYLERTEXAS MOST OF THE TIME IS ON THE SITE
WINDY/RED BUD FROM ARKANSAS IS ON THE SITE
MS MARPLES FROM SALT LAKE CITYUTAH IS ON THE SITE
QV FROM OHIO ALTHOUGH SHE THINKS SHE IS CUTE AND CAN REROUTE.
WE HAVE REMOVED THE WALL OF SHAME SINCE AFTER BEING HACKED INTO 4 TIMES WE NOW RUN NUKE SENITINEL WITH A SCROLLING IP ADDRESS OF HACKERS AND THOSE HARRASSING OR THREATENING OUR MEMBERS!
IN FACT FOR ALL OF THESE WILMA BLOGGERS WHO HATE ROSE SPEAKS YOU SURE LIKE TO SIGN UP UNDER FALSE NAMES AND POST NICE HERE, MIGHT BE AN ARTICLE THERE WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT!
We have also had lawyers from multiple states who are looking at the stalking and advising us what to do, we do have the IP’s and the correct authorities are being contacted and the threats on lives stop NOW!
ALL SOFTWARE INCLUDING TMZ LOGS KEEPS IP NUMBERS
I am sure matching IP’s from here via authorities with TMZ and other sites will track the right people down.
The “Wall of Shame” was eventually replaced by a scrolling list of IP address’
[Blockd hackers
This is the list of NukeSentinel™ banned IP addresses]
After that Rose and her moderators continued to post the threats about obtaining and sharing IPs with no regard to the legal ramifications of engaging in that behavior. She stated that if you didn’t want someone to have your IP then you shouldn’t step on their site. First of all I never did “step on her site”, yet she LIED and said I did and then posted my information. Second the laws protecting the identity of posters are very clear in this area. This is not like a telephone call, a comparison that Rose Turner makes. RoseSpeaks was a Public Site. Rose and her members encouraged and invited the public to visit her site.
When an internet user clicked on links provided by her members on other sites, they did so with an expectation of privacy. Rose had no legal right to harvest their IPs and certainly had no legal right to compare information with other site owners. She most assuredly had no legal right to turn any of that information over to any third party circumventing established case law that had been put in place to specifically protect the Free Speech of anonymous bloggers on the Internet. Rose’s justification that somehow she determined that these people were “hackers” and that that gave her the right to do what she did is specious.
As already stated, I know Rose lied, I know Rose is a liar, therefore why would I or anyone else be expected to take anything Rose alleges on face value? Why should I be forced to trust the word of a known liar, when it comes to circumventing such important constitutional issues like Free Speech? I’m sorry but as they like to say in Rose’s neck of the woods, “that dog won’t hunt!”
Rose says: January 20th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
I will have a new article up tomorrow; we are sadly installing 3 more tracking programs… What is so stupid here is an ISP is your internet server provider like AOL, Comcast, Road Runner, Verizon, Wild Blue, etc. your IP is the internet protocol and is per dial up, proxy and computer and they think that is “private and protected”? Gggggeeeeeessssss it is like caller ID if you don’t want someone to have your telephone number then don’t call them and if you don’t want someone to have your IP then don’t step on their site… don’t these idiots know that when they post on TMZ they have all of that info. on them just like Topix, Crime Library, Free Republic, Web Sleuth, etc. they all have built in software that tracks.
Lynderella says: January 20th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
WILMA AT WORK!!! Yes 216.XX.XXX.XX
mail.XXXXyint.com 2007-12-21 15:16:37 1 That was Wilma when she came on the site on Dec. 21, 2007.
Lynderella says: January 21st, 2008 at 10:02 am
YES… THEY SEE YOUR IP ADDY WHEN YOU VISIT A SITE!!! EVEN IF YOU JUST GO TO VIEW!
EXAMPLE….. HERE’S MS. MARPLE VIEWING THE MAIN SITE….
I WAS PLANNING ON USING MY OWN, BUT THAT WAS JUST TOO SWEET THAT SHE JUST CAME ON!!! lol
Domain Name wirelessbeehive.com ? (Commercial)
IP Address 204.13.129.# (Beehive Telephone Company)
ISP Beehive Telephone Company
Location Continent : North America
Country : United States (Facts)
State : Utah
City : Tooele
Lat/Long : 40.5757, -112.3346 (Map)
Time of Visit Jan 21 2008 9:58:14 am
Last Page View Jan 21 2008 9:58:14 am
***** I SHOULD SAY “THIS COULD BE MS. MARPLE, BUT SINCE SHE LIVES IN UTAH AND WE ONLY HAVE ONE VISITOR FROM THERE OFF AND ON…. I “THINK” I’M SAFE TO SAY IT IS HER….IF NOT … WELL ..HERE’S A VISITOR….************
Lynderella says: January 24th, 2008 at 9:03 am
Domain Name (Unknown)
IP Address 74.196.49.# (Suddenlink Communications)
ISP Suddenlink Communications
Location Continent : North America
Country : United States (Facts)
State : Texas
City : Tyler
Lat/Long : 32.318, -95.2921 (Map)
BEACHLADY/FAYE? PLEASE PLAY NICE HERE!
After Rose and Art continued to insinuate that “we have your IP” and intimated that TMZ was somehow sharing information with them, a number of us were so concerned that we called and e-mailed management at TMZ. Here is Kerry’s e-mail and the response she received. Others also contacted TMZ’s legal department and a few responses to their inquires are also included.
To TMZ: I would like to know if our Ip's were given to Mr. Art Harris and if it was I want see a court order. If not I want to you do something about how he keeps threatening us about writing on TMZ. Please write me back, so that I know if I need a lawyer to sue anyone that gives my personal information without my knowledge!
Dear Ms. XXXXX: We have not given your IP address (or the IP address of anyone else) to Mr. Harris or to anyone else. Regards, Don Zachary, Production Attorney
From: Legal <Legal@tmz.com>
Date: Jan 24, 2008 7:32 AMI can assure you, Ms. XXXX, that TMZ never knowingly displays any
personal information about any person who post to our message boards,
nor do we disclose ISP information to anyone at anytime. If you have
any specific complaints about specific comments, feel free to contact me
again. Best of luck, Don Zachary, Production Attorney
… As you can see, the reference to "IP addresses and various names
bloggers used to attack Stern" makes no reference to TMZ, and we can
assure you that TMZ has not provided Mr. Harris or anyone else with the
IP addresses of any of the people who comment on our stories or who
contact us. (The "names" used by those who make comments are available
to be seen by anyone who reads the comments.)I trust I have answered your question. Regards, Don Zachary, Production
Attorney
We know from numerous sources that Rose specifically identified people whose IPs she wanted and gave instruction to moderators to watch the sites and capture this information. Rose in a post on May 10th 2008 1:22 am admits to receiving a HUGE list of IP numbers from emails obtained from a moderator on another site.
One might ask why Rose Turner and her gang would engage in such behavior? What did they hope to gain? I think Rose herself answered this question for all of us when she wrote in March at the beginning of this whole story, “THIS IS WAR BABY”! I guess during war it is easy to suspend civil liberties and to forget such trivialities like the constitution after all “War is Hell”. So welcome to hell ala Rose Turner.
Candis Says:
March 27th, 2007 at 2:44 pm
who is paying for the Limo that Vergie rides in? Where is she staying? A hotel or house?
rose says:
… In addition, if this is true, THIS is the kind of information that PR people for the Stern camp should be getting onto PEOPLE magazine and on Court TV.
They made not think they should stoop to such tactics themselves, but this is war baby – and you if you let this stuff slide, it will only be the beginning of what people like Vergie and Quinn are capable of…PLEASE believe this.
Kerry and Einy
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Again Rose’s own words come back to bite her in the ass.
The threats were horrendous.
SO Art said that he obtained IP’s from TMZ after acting like a total jerk to Mrs. Marples then TMZ deny’s it?
Glad you girls saved all this.
Einy and Kerry. Thanks for this great article! Very good and of course factual again with their own words. You can’t argue when its documented..
Great article, ladies! Bravo and well said.
Are we ready to fight ladies? I think the FBI would be MOST interested in everything (if they haven’t gotten it yet)
Great article everyone and QV thanks for allowing things to be posted here.
I’m ready. I didn’t really believe they did this until I looked into it.
But their own members don’t want them doing that to them. There’s a lot more that we chose not to put in here.
1. Roxanne says:
January 29th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Lynderella
Which one is me? I see potential for 2 but not sure. Birmingham, AL. and New Orleans, LA. although neither one is where I live but they are close with N.O. being closes. You can use me to show how you track someone if you want to. I don’t mind as long as you leave the IP off.
Wow, I went to RoseSpeaks in the beginning. They better not have done that to me.
That’s not right.
I have just here in the last hour been given proof that there is a share and compare going on between ro’ho and sun. so anyone that visited celebrity chat (suns room) off of TSG, well i would venture to say that ro’ho also has your info.
Windi, I was also handed that information.
This was wrong and it underlines the real motivation of Rose and her gang.
I hope all will come out eventually.
yeah and take that back to butterfly submitting the lists of those to be banned from TMZ. well can we say “conspiracy”?
Oh boy…..not good ladies. The legalities of it all are stunning. Stuff there is no way they could know was just plastered for the world to see. I remember when my real name came out because someone from there plastered it all over Mr. C. and TMZ and Topix. It was before my statement to McCabe that had my location. So then QV from… (where I live) was on the wall of shame. Viola, they just posted my name and location for someone to match up. True its out in the legal docs now but how did they know or what gave them the right to display it on the internet? I kept my name and location private for a very long time up until then. A real estate person even got into my real estate records and hinted at other forms of my name in a threat on Topix. There was no way she could have known the other name if not for searching my real estate records and like I said, it was all before anything came out in public. Before I even knew it would come out.
QV,
I have no doubt about what they were engaging in. There’s enought proof to take it to any court in the land. The question is who requested that information?
Who was it shared with?
How high up does this go? Those are the answers that I am seeking.
If Rose believed that these people were “hackers” (which is bullshit) then she should have turned that information over to the proper authorities.
Why did she chose to post it on her site the way she did?
What was the point in all of that?
And that Lyder-person is a real piece of work, isn’t she.
What is she like the enforcer or something?
All right you can take the swear word out LOL
and let my post go through.
LOL einy
Lol!!
Here it is…
einy Says:
September 4th, 2008 at 3:45 am e
QV,
I have no doubt about what they were engaging in. There’s enought proof to take it to any court in the land. The question is who requested that information?
Who was it shared with?
How high up does this go? Those are the answers that I am seeking.
If Rose believed that these people were “hackers” (which is bullshit) then she should have turned that information over to the proper authorities.
Why did she chose to post it on her site the way she did?
What was the point in all of that?
And that Lyder-person is a real piece of work, isn’t she.
What is she like the enforcer or something?
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Einy, you are wanting to get into the minds of something that we do not understand. I made a mistake once with email addys that I thought were trouble makers but I was a novice. Never had a blog before this one. When Jane Devin chewed me a new one and Ad at the time explained to me how AOL works I felt like an ass. A total jerk. But I learned my lesson.
Rose on the other hand has been on the net for many years and said atruerose has been in existence since 1998 or 1999. She knew better. Did she act alone? No because IP’s and names were matched. Info she did not have was given to her. By whom is the question as you have stated and in your article..But we can only go so far. The remedy will be either law enforcement or if they decline to handle it which they should not considering all the controversy, then a civil remedy is in order. That is where the truth will be discovered. And if the big dogs were behind it as in the current Texas defendants. Well, I feel they have more problems than they were bargaining for.
In addition to that. Some of our people are actually being harassed. Not just online. But personally. We don’t go yelling to the world when an individual is stalked and contacted but the perps need to know the victims in this case are not going to put up with it. And things will be handled the correct way. Not by harassment or intimidation like the ones in your article have done.. Yes, the enforcer. Good one!!!! :-)
Ill stop after this one..I tend to ramble. I just wondered if anyone saw Havana state that she and her family have been bothered. She seemed pretty upset in a post from E and K’s other article…
That is just a darn shame…
Not just Havana,
Site members calling places of work and then posting the names of employees on public blogs.
What they don’t realize is that to us these people that they are giving the information up to are “criminals and thugs”.
Plus you ever read some of the posts on Roses site, I mean how many admit to long term drug addiction.
And excuse me but a few a down right insane.
So, these are the people that they feel are entitled to our information.
I don’t think so……..
i remeber way way back about einy, her location and her children. was that rite… NO
Yeah remember when they goggled my home town and named the high school where they thought my daughter went and wrote,
And you skanky daugher at blah,blah high better watch out too.
That was low, except they got the school wrong.
They seem to get a lot wrong about a lot of things.
Amen Einy, thats why I keep “Old Smokey” close by. Yeah, I was reading about some people that if they go to a court hearing and think someone is taking their picture they declared they would break their camera into tiny little pieces. I can see some tourist taking shots of the beautiful buildings and scenery in Houston and getting beat up for it. I mean come on. I think most of us have had to endure or have been recipients of threats. And that is uncalled for. Just for having an opinion and not about them in particular? Gang mentality at work there. And its going to get worse before it gets better..
I was reading one of the ro’ho postings that you provided.
***We have also had lawyers from multiple states we do have the ISP’s the correct authorities are being contacted and the threats on lives stop NOW!***
So she is calling the cops because lawyers are on her site? Is that against the law now? Lawyers are on this site daily from all parts of the country. They google a link and then come to see the articles and comments. I guess thats a crime over in the dungeon. Even though she welcomed everyone. Can I come over and read? NO! But they come here to read. They are most welcome. This sense of entitlement to others info but the paranoid protection and attacks against someone simply wanting to read a public blog are so contradictory. I don’t understand it.
Einy and Windy..Oh my gosh. I did not hear about that incident concerning your children. So very sorry. Nothing makes a mother hen more upset than someone messing with her chicks. Now that is “shameful”.
oh QV you have no idea what transpired on TMZ and the threats that were thrown out from the very beginning. why any of us are still here, well its because we want to see the truth for virgie and her family brought home (at least that is what i am still here for). all these stupid hks lawsuits are nothing but a diversion IMO away from the truth…
Windi, your right..I don’t know about any of that. I did not read TMZ too much. Only posted there a few times. That is terrible. Saw a few crappy things and pretty much stayed away.
“Doesn’t Wilma realize the FBI is smart enough to quickly learn the same people you claim were threatened just may turn out to be the very folks who are making the threats? Shame. At least that’s what some people say who have tracked the messages you mention to identical IPs.”
What is The Fart trying to suggest? That Mrs. M. was writing the bullet threats to herself?
No wonder the has-been is called The Fart all over the Internet. Whatever he writes, you know he’s just blowing it out his azz.
EXTREMELY well written and informative, Einy and Kerry. Thanks to QV for reprinting your work. I love the series.
Thanks Kerry Einy for bringing truth to the forefront.
Eye opening and enlightening.
There was a time I was totally out of the loop for personal reasons and could not put the pieces enough together to get full meaning.
After I was banned and TMZ says I wasn’t and when I asked them what their policy was on banning posters, I never was told.
Again I contacted TMZ with the freedom of speech, thought and expression, etc I was notified I could post.
I did get the right people to contact from a very dear friend of ours and for that I was greatful.
I really could not get involved with TMZ much after that incident. I did stay awhile to read the bulli threats typed to Mrs and the most vile and sick comments about Mrs Arthur.
My pc posted that post, wasn’t finished.
To sum it up , all Rose’s disciples and all Rose’s might and mind control will never take Mrs Arthur’s dignity away.
A woman who digs by hand, hard dirt at the grave site to place flowers for her loved ones exemplifies grace and love.
Thanks QV for allowing me to be here to read the truth written by two great thinkers. We all are fortunate to have them.
WOW, they went the extreme did they not?
Very Well Done Ladies!!!
And as always there is MORE to the story then what meets the eye.
I look forward to what could be “Part II” to this compare & share Roho wallows in self series
Take Care & Please protect YOURSELF do not let those fools threaten silence over even the quietest of voices!
One of the best articles yet, ladies. REAL EYE OPENER! Has anyone noticed like I have that the other side still engages in slander on Virgie to this day? The continue on with the threats too, I see.
WOW Says:
September 4th, 2008 at 11:12 am
WOW, they went the extreme did they not?
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Well we all will have to see how far these people took the IP sharing and why they wanted them and whom they shared them with.That is where the illegal part comes in. Was it to threaten us, we see that Art and Rose already did that, was it to give to lawyers to sue us? I am sure that people that were part of that group will come forward and tell.
You girls let them bury themselves with their own words.
Good Job!
Well, isn’t this sweeeet! Caught and busted for their dirty low down ways. I thought it was bad but I had no idea it was evil.
einy, kerry, qv, thank you. Great!
The underhanded tactics these people result to are astounding. QV, do you have an idea who might have went through your records? I remember too about seeing a post on Topix about someone’s church and that they were going to call? Then another one’s tax record and then Virgie’s too I remember seeing. They seem to think this is okay because it is public record but I think they are very wrong. What is their purpose for bringing attention to it? Scary people I think.
I think that some of the future court proceedings are going to help claify exactly what was going on and whether our personal information went higher then Rose Turner and Art Harris.
These are complicated issues and we’re all just going to have to pay attention to exactly who did what and for what reason.
It isn’t the harvesting of IPs that is troublsome, it’s using them to compare information and to then put a name to certain posters and their posts. Then to pass that assembled information around.
That’s where I think a legal boundary was crossed.
dont forget that it is not so hard to get an IP from an email i bet the roho minions went to all sorts of lengths to satisfy their master .. or is it masters? who is the top master do thye wear a collar or a crown
*waving* Hi woodys office staff..
Been busy this morning but stopped back by to reread this article. Einy if two people are sharing and comparing and then turn that info over to a third party, is it illegal?
anonymous1 Says:
September 4th, 2008 at 1:52 pm e
The underhanded tactics these people result to are astounding. QV, do you have an idea who might have went through your records? I remember too about seeing a post on Topix about someone’s church and that they were going to call? Then another one’s tax record and then Virgie’s too I remember seeing. They seem to think this is okay because it is public record but I think they are very wrong. What is their purpose for bringing attention to it? Scary people I think.
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There were moderators who had access to email addys and IP’s but since it was the information that belonged to Howard supporters, there are only a few people that could have had their info shared. I think those same people are members of Rose’s site anyway so Rose would have that info. What she should not have is Virgie supporter info. Those people who posted on Art Harris and TMZ are the ones who need to wonder how Rose got their personal information.
Great article Kerry & Einy and thank you for writing this and all the articles as it helps us all to understand ALL that was going on. I also would like to thank you for researching and keeping things which has affected us all at one time or another. I like others went to Rose’s ONLY after it was posted so many times on TMZ with the bombshell announcement and the INVITATION to visit her PUBLIC site. I only stayed a few minutes. I have never seen the Wall of Shame so do not know if my name was ever on it, I refused to go there. Don’t know if my IP was on her scrolling thing as I wouldn’t have been able to tell at the time anyway. As far as I’m concerned her putting out an INVITATION to visit her site falls under the heading of ENTRAPMENT and was done to harrass and threaten.
I would like to thank QV also for allowing Kerry & Einy a place for them to tell the story of how things evolved over these past 2years.
Great Article Ladies, I think we all know where the assembled IP info went, just as the other stuff & Sun’s Chat Room, info directly to Barth & Ben Irwin. We also know there is much more evidence that has not been publically posted that is in our possession. The Day of Reckoning is on it’s way ! Hope you are ready Mr. Woods, Barth, Stern, Rose, et al !!
Good job ladies. This is very revealing as to the efforts that they will go to to Win. Knock down and trash anyone that goes against the hero worship of hks. Threaten and endanger families in order to silence the masses. What I think of them and their methods can not be typed here.
Dirty, evil, absent of moral fiber is only a start.
Windi,
To answer your question.
It’s an grey area of Constitutional Law. This is an issue that the courts need to resolve.
My answer to you would be that the person whose information was collected and then passed on has a civil action against those that engaged in a conspiracy to deprive her of her civil liberties.
These cases are never resolved in criminal courts because the government does not involve itself in prosecuting individual civil liberty cases except in exceptional circumstances.
But a civil case is certainly viable and I believe the courts would not look kindly on an officer of the court receiving information that was obtained through illegal means.
In plain English LOL
You could sue them for damages and the courts would have to determine whether your freedom of speech was being denied.
Despite want the idiot Ro’ho has said.
The “Chilling Effect” that the courts have talked about – is the attempt to stifle free speech through censorship.
Thank You Einy for your input!
Cassi Says:
September 4th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
Great Article Ladies, I think we all know where the assembled IP info went, just as the other stuff & Sun’s Chat Room, info directly to Barth & Ben Irwin. We also know there is much more evidence that has not been publically posted that is in our possession. The Day of Reckoning is on it’s way ! Hope you are ready Mr. Woods, Barth, Stern, Rose, et al !!
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So if these people all shared our IP’s and personal information,what would be their agenda? It is illegal without a court order to pass information of privacy on bloggers, I just goggled it. So has Rose or anyone of them broken the law?
I aksed someone on the “inside” Why would they do this?
The answer I received was that they were under orders to shut people up. That they wanted people TO STOPPED talking about Howard K. Stern.
That is the direct answer that I received to my inquiry.
That is the “chilling effect” that the courts have ruled upon.
As for breaking the law, they certainly have acted in a manner to deprive people of their constitutional right of free speech.
That would be a civil action not a criminal.
If federal laws were violated, that’s up to the authorities to determine.
they say anything, so we won’t talk about the murders…
doesn’t matter what…anything/anyone but that.
They contol the topic everyday…
dying for the truth Says:
September 5th, 2008 at 5:21 am
they say anything, so we won’t talk about the murders…
doesn’t matter what…anything/anyone but that.
They contol the topic everyday…
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I do not even bother going on to blog about it anymore, what is the point? You are right they control the boards and attack. You cannot even discuss the issue.
This is a chilling Effect:
Lucky asking for personal information:
Lucky writes!
All I will ask at this time is this……….
1. Einy’s name, email, and phone number, as you said you had. I already have Red info. Anything on Alamo that you have. If it is just an email, that will do.
Chilling Effect Says:
September 5th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
This is a chilling Effect:
Lucky asking for personal information:
Lucky writes!
All I will ask at this time is this……….
1. Einy’s name, email, and phone number, as you said you had. I already have Red info. Anything on Alamo that you have. If it is just an email, that will do.
They have been at this whole game since the beginning of the year – pattern of same ole threats, disgusting slander of Virgie and others, making things personal with others, outing personal information, etc, etc, etc.
Just a quick comment regarding QV’s answer to how and why IP information was absorbed and filed.
Keeping in mind that when this site was first constructed it was in favor of Anna and those whom she placed within her life. That included HKS, it wasnt until many situations that QV decided to go strictly Anna and her immediate family due to extreme situations that will never be forgotten.
Now when this site was for ALL Anna et al, there were MANY posts/comments made in a negative manner in regards to HKS, including the big ol “M” word ((yes before O’Quinn made mention of the possibility)) when such posts/comments were made a note was made of their IP, when such became a common event those IP’s were “blocked” it became evident that some IP’s were also used by a few members, PERSONALLY speaking, I spent over 48hrs assisting QV with this new and odd event, We were both confused and very naive in the “blog” world, I more so then QV since all pc info I know I learned from her ((which has protected me to this day so THANK YOU HUNEY))
When all Ip’s were matched up it resulted in AOL using 3 key IP’s for more then I think 10 posters/members/visitors.
Eventually that information was DESTROYED and well all following events are pretty much known now.
Now another thing that should be noted is that it is NOT hard to gain an IP from a select source, ANYONE can do it NOT JUST BLOG OWNERS.
Here TRY IT:
Find an email from someone in your inbox
Right click on “view source”
And TAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADAAAAAAAAAAAAA
You have an IP source to see what route that email travelled from where to you.
Now, there is alot of confusion as to what and how and when, and that will DEFINATELY be answered shortly, but one thing that MUST be made clear, even though the IP info. education began HERE on QV’s site it was NEVER DONE IN THE MANNER IN WHICH TO ASSAULT NOR HARM ANOTHER.
Considering I am PC stupid ((Ask QV hahahha)) I am unsure of how such info could be used to harm someone … but then again, I am on the receiving end and have learned LOTS.
I am sorry but I have to go, I will attempt to come back and if there are “questions” I am more then willing to ANSWER, I have NOTHING to hide
Take care & BE SAFE .. you never know who is lurking !!!
Xo C.
**Edited and typos fixed. ;)
FFS TYPO
“….Considering I am PC stupid ((As QV hahahha)) I am unsure of how such info ….”
SHOULD BE ((ASK QV)))
Talk about wrong msg being put ugghh SORRY QV, if you wouldnt mind editting that typo …..
**Taken care of QV ;)
ANONYMOUS Says:
September 5th, 2008 at 11:00 am
dying for the truth Says:
September 5th, 2008 at 5:21 am
they say anything, so we won’t talk about the murders…
doesn’t matter what…anything/anyone but that.
They contol the topic everyday…
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I do not even bother going on to blog about it anymore, what is the point? You are right they control the boards and attack. You cannot even discuss the issue.
I wish everyone would come back, and just ignore the trolls. They never have anything to add, or any facts to back up their venom. There are a lot of good posters left, that will talk about the case. When we get frustrated and give up, and do not post, they win…IMO
ITS THE CHILLING EFFECT…
Personally, the more they try silence us, threaten us, intimidate us, infringe on our freedom. The stronger my resolve is.
Yes I am currently addressing the issue of this person who is seeking to obtain my personal information. Why would she request my phone number? How would that information be relevent to anything.
I do believe that it’s time to stand up for what you believe in.
He really screwed up this time.
lol, oops. That’s what you said.
Alamo,
Of all the people in the world to share personal information with?
Correct einy. He is feeding her psychosis. She is a very sick person and easily led…down the wrong path. Too Bad for him and her.
Trust me Alamo,
I will do everything within my power to get to the bottom of this nonsense.
She wrote that her mission was to get Kerry and I because she was pissed of about the cemetary story.
She wrote that she was mad because WE WOULD NOT respond to her.
Then she followed us every where we went.
Until she finally asked for my personal information.
I’m going to try, believe me and for the record. I have nothing to do with the “hideout” I’m not even a member.
I have nothing to do with posting anything about Lucky or anyone else.
So onces again they are just sitting around lying to one another and making false assumption that they shouldn’t be.
Oh well, I’m very irritated today.
I trust you einy.
AlamoGirl Says:
September 5th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
I trust you einy.
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I believe that if you go through the proper legal channels then you can find out
Why these people want our information and if it was given to Lawyers. If it was then there is a case.
It is a wait and see game and we need to do it the right way and the legal way not their way!
Havana, thank you for your input about the past. Appreciate it ;-)
I hope that we all can do something about this. Enough is enough! Do you hear that Lin Wood, Krista Barth, Bonnie Stern, Howard K Stern, and Rose? We have final just gotten sick of your games!
Thanks Einey and Kerry for the story and thank you QV for a medium to post safely. This story just make me mad all over, again.
I agree MM. Sick stuff.
QV Says:
September 6th, 2008 at 4:22 am
Havana, thank you for your input about the past. Appreciate it
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No need for thanks QV, it is what it is. It just seemed that there was a bit of confusion as to when and the reason for it.
I think many ppl would be surprised how idiotic the situation was @ the time, and You being the site owner and myself a moderator, the job here was to PROTECT the site, ensure a proper dialogue was taking place and a safe area for ppl to discuss not only Anna’s story and details of events but also a place for ppl to share and be heard even if it were only within the fold of under 50ppl on an obsure unnoticed site.. that is until others sought opportunities and sights were set on unrealistic goals …
I just hope ppl get the TRUTH as to what and how and when, and so far Einy & Kerry are doing an impecable job ;)
Excellent article QV, Einy & Kerry!
I can’t wait to see this all play out.
I want to know how the wilted rose hag got all the Virgie supporters IP’s & posted them on the wall of shame.
For those like myself that were banned moments after setting “foot” on her website it is very obvious that they had been handed all of our IP’s.
Art even bragged about having IP’s in one of his articles so this will be interesting indeed when the truth comes out.
Anyone who is anti-$tern has been a victim of harassment & threats.
Just like the infamous emails from Bonnie $tern giving orders to dig dirt on Larry, Opri, G. Ben, Ford, etc. they have attempted the same w/ bloggers.
To hear the wilted rose hags tell it we are paid bloggers.
Maybe they are getting paid so they just assume we are.
As much as I love chocolate there is not enough Flurtz in the world to make me a $ternie.
Chocolate Whores be damned!!!!!
Chilling Effect Says:
September 5th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
This is a chilling Effect:
Lucky asking for personal information:
Lucky writes!
All I will ask at this time is this……….
1. Einy’s name, email, and phone number, as you said you had. I already have Red info. Anything on Alamo that you have. If it is just an email, that will do.
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Lucky pisses and moans constantly about being stalked, well these words of hers are REAL STALKING.
Havana
Thank you so much for your comments on this thread.
Please correct anything that you see wrong in anything we have written so far.
We have tried very hard to use Rose’s and others own words, thoughts and deeds.
Any imput is so appreciated.
Mrs. M
I know, I see what they did and continue to do and I just can’t believe that they don’t see how wrong it was.
Shadow,
I’m angry beyond words over Lucky’s behavior. Kerry and I tried to ignore her for the longest time. Hell we stopped posting for months because SHE was so upset about the truth coming out regarding the gravesites and just was relentless.
She kepts following us, we stopped going on TMZ
We switched threads on Topix numerous times, then she things she has the right to my personal information.
Asking for a phone number.
Why would she need a phone number? That’s obscene.
She needs to be stopped.
I have a question. When the hags do google searches on anyone, how can you tell where the source is once you receive the alert in your email? Can anyone tell me?
shadow Says:
September 6th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Chilling Effect Says:
September 5th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
This is a chilling Effect:
Lucky asking for personal information:
Lucky writes!
All I will ask at this time is this……….
1. Einy’s name, email, and phone number, as you said you had. I already have Red info. Anything on Alamo that you have. If it is just an email, that will do.
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Lucky pisses and moans constantly about being stalked, well these words of hers are REAL STALKING.
This is very scary. Do you think she is the one that does the google searchs too or do you think it is the hags in general? I’ve been getting numerous alerts from google alert.
I suspect it’s quite a few of them since they are “at war” and they have a mission to fulfill.
Believe me Lucky wanted more then just my information.
I’m sorry but she’s a nutcase and should not have access to anyone’s personal information.
BamaCat
In reply to your question.
We all know dang well how she obtained that information. But some people are willing to continue to lie despite the fact that we have numerous e-mails etc. spelling out exactly what they did. I don’t understand that mentality.
So be it.
We can only hope that the rest of the evidence comes out through court proceedings since these people don’t feel the need to make right what they did wrong.
Look what I found from way back in February from Lucky. I’ll keep looking for you guys. Maybe some of this can be helpful.
Lucky
#8881
Feb 14, 2008
Where have Kerry and Einy been? Does anyone know why they dumped yall over here? I see them posting at another site. Faye, you were in close contact with them daily while they were in the Bahamas giving you daily updates on what was going on there. So why do they not come here anymore, I thought yall were tight friends.
Lucky
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Faye, there might a little hearing in the future for you too. LOL Break that piggy bank and start counting your pennies. ROFLMAO Time for Faye to be banned and go bye bye. See ya.
From TMZ was a virus planted as I know personally several people besides myself that their computers crashed.Of course it would cost more money in legal fees to file suit.Sad though that people posted and many were actually stalked because of information such as exact location was posted.
# anonymous1 Says:
September 6th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
I have a question. When the hags do google searches on anyone, how can you tell where the source is once you receive the alert in your email? Can anyone tell me?
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I asked the same question and never got an answer. So I guess there is no way to tell for sure. Sometimes the link which they provide will give you the location from which they searched..?? Did that make sense? lol
Anonymous Says:
September 7th, 2008 at 12:35 am
# anonymous1 Says:
September 6th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
I have a question. When the hags do google searches on anyone, how can you tell where the source is once you receive the alert in your email? Can anyone tell me?
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I asked the same question and never got an answer. So I guess there is no way to tell for sure. Sometimes the link which they provide will give you the location from which they searched..?? Did that make sense? lol
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I have no idea what they are looking for or what they need that information for,all I know is that they are obtaining it illegally and if infact the “the top people” asked for it then I hope there will be a civil case.
einy Says:
September 6th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Havana
Thank you so much for your comments on this thread.
Please correct anything that you see wrong in anything we have written so far.
We have tried very hard to use Rose’s and others own words, thoughts and deeds.
Any imput is so appreciated.
Mrs. M
I know, I see what they did and continue to do and I just can’t believe that they don’t see how wrong it was.
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No need for thanks ‘Einy’ as I have said numerous times before, I am but an email away.
I think it is high time many knew exactly the lengths in which some went to get what they wanted, what they have become since the glow of “limelight” sought their eyes.
It is beyond time that the REAL TRUTH be revealled so that EVERYONE has the REAL TRUTH & FACTS to base their conclusions on rather then the shiat shingle offered from the wanna be gourmet chef… JMO
Being an American is very LUCKY
Having free-speech is very LUCKY
Being a mom of three healthy kids is so very LUCKY
Having Gas money is very Lucky
Being able to heat my home this winter makes me LUCKY
Having family and friends makes me LUCKY
Lets all write just how LUCKY we are.
My children were so Lucky this morning because they had Lucky Charms for breakfast
My grandmother use to smoke Lucky Strikes
Winning the lotto makes that person LUCKY
I have to say there a few that really are the The Lucky Ones
Eight is a Lucky number in China
Cats have nine lives that is so
LUCKY!
I Think Some People Were Born Under a Lucky Star
I think this may be my LUCKY day
My daughter got new shoes and her best friend told her
she was “LUCKY”
I want to go to Vegas, I feel LUCKY
My neighbors are very LUCKY they are going to Ireland next week
I told them I think Leprechauns
are Lucky and they would be LUCKY if they see one
If good things happen to you does that make you LUCKY?
Who Should Be So Lucky? Who Should Be So Lucky?
Why are Brazilians so Lucky to look so young? I think they been drinking fresh young coconut water and beet juice everyday and that makes them so LUCKY
Lucky Number Slevin is a comic thriller that twists and turns its way through an underworld of crime and revenge where nothing is as it seems.
Hi Everyone, I received an email from Lucky asking me to take her moniker off of my board and the reposting of some of her comments. After careful consideration, I do not see anything libelous in the postings containing the word “Lucky”. Only shock and dismay that Lucky is seeking names addresses and phone numbers for the author of this article and other people.
She speaks of *”feeding a sick frenzy and most of it are lies, hate, and more of their harassment”*, when in my opinion, Lucky engages in the same behavioirs that she is protesting against.
This article is about the “Chilling Effect” and how it is affecting the bloggers in this story and their right to express their opinions about the deaths of Anna Nicole Smith and Daniel Smith.
Lucky, your comment accusing me of *”having a need to attack others” *is the pot calling the kettle black. You are aligned with and support the site Rosespeaks where some of the nastiest comments that I have ever seen in this story come from about myself. And I am a witness in one of the lawsuits. I will not do you any favors and extend any courtesy to you as you have not done the same for me and you have NOT respected the terms of our agreement.
Your real name is not posted here. And the statements are either some of your own comments reposted or opinions about them which are mild compared to what you have tried to do. I agree there are many comments on different sites that cross the line, but none of those connected to this article do.
In conclusion, I will not support your effort to apply a “Chilling Effect” to posters who are only reacting to harm you have done to them.
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